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[tahujdt]

"If we cannot put [solar plants] it in the Mojave desert, I don't know where the hell we can put it."
- Governor Terminator

Silly Schwartz, how could the local desert wildlife possibly survive with some mirrors sticking out of the ground, and an underground power line!

The same way that birds can survive around forests of wind farms.

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Not at all.

You know, I'm waiting for some animal-rights (or at least someone on Tumblr) group to claim that using fossil fuels counts as animal cruelty, because you're burning dead dinosaurs.

[PatriotSaint]

So, despite the obvious similarities of solar panels and wind turbines (?), please explain why Bob the desert tortoise will meet a terrible end due to the evil humans and their nefarious shiny mirrors sticking up from the ground.

[miauw62]

Yeah, I don't think solar panels will ruin the local wildlife.

[Eotyrannus]

So, despite the obvious similarities of solar panels and wind turbines (?), please explain why Bob the desert tortoise will meet a terrible end due to the evil humans and their nefarious shiny mirrors sticking up from the ground.

A change in environmental conditions. Suddenly, there's a bunch of black things blocking the sunlight, and building them (and all the things needed to maintain them and use them, like wires in the ground, roads and whatnot) takes a toll on the environment as well. We don't know enough about the effects of solar panels in deserts, as far as I know, to use them on a large scale yet.

[EnigmaticHat]

You know, I'm waiting for some animal-rights (or at least someone on Tumblr) group to claim that using fossil fuels counts as animal cruelty, because you're burning dead dinosaurs.

Oh sure, that's fine.  But the moment you start using dead humans to make biscuits its suddenly some big deal.

[Dutchling]

You know, I'm waiting for some animal-rights (or at least someone on Tumblr) group to claim that using fossil fuels counts as animal cruelty, because you're burning dead dinosaurs.

Oh sure, that's fine.  But the moment you start using dead humans to make biscuits its suddenly some big deal.

It's better to make soap.

[PatriotSaint]

So, despite the obvious similarities of solar panels and wind turbines (?), please explain why Bob the desert tortoise will meet a terrible end due to the evil humans and their nefarious shiny mirrors sticking up from the ground.

A change in environmental conditions. Suddenly, there's a bunch of black things blocking the sunlight, and building them (and all the things needed to maintain them and use them, like wires in the ground, roads and whatnot) takes a toll on the environment as well. We don't know enough about the effects of solar panels in deserts, as far as I know, to use them on a large scale yet.

So, I quote the terminator; If we can't put it in the Mojave Desert, WHERE THE HELL CAN WE PUT IIIITTTT BLLAAAARRGGHHH?

And, just to clarify, you're saying that there's not a single place in freaking Death Valley that we can stick up a few mirrors and an electrical line in? And that Bob The Tortoise can't possibly live with said mirrors blocking the sun in a few places; i.e. the area right below them?

[LordSlowpoke]

So, despite the obvious similarities of solar panels and wind turbines (?), please explain why Bob the desert tortoise will meet a terrible end due to the evil humans and their nefarious shiny mirrors sticking up from the ground.

A change in environmental conditions. Suddenly, there's a bunch of black things blocking the sunlight, and building them (and all the things needed to maintain them and use them, like wires in the ground, roads and whatnot) takes a toll on the environment as well. We don't know enough about the effects of solar panels in deserts, as far as I know, to use them on a large scale yet.

So, I quote the terminator; If we can't put it in the Mojave Desert, WHERE THE HELL CAN WE PUT IIIITTTT BLLAAAARRGGHHH?

In orbit. All you need is about 36 thousand kilometers cable per satellite. Nothing can go wrong.

[Eotyrannus]

So, despite the obvious similarities of solar panels and wind turbines (?), please explain why Bob the desert tortoise will meet a terrible end due to the evil humans and their nefarious shiny mirrors sticking up from the ground.

A change in environmental conditions. Suddenly, there's a bunch of black things blocking the sunlight, and building them (and all the things needed to maintain them and use them, like wires in the ground, roads and whatnot) takes a toll on the environment as well. We don't know enough about the effects of solar panels in deserts, as far as I know, to use them on a large scale yet.

So, I quote the terminator; If we can't put it in the Mojave Desert, WHERE THE HELL CAN WE PUT IIIITTTT BLLAAAARRGGHHH?

There's plenty of old factories and whatnot. They're already near all the roads and stuff, so we can just take down older things we don't need and put solar panels there instead.

[PatriotSaint]

So, despite the obvious similarities of solar panels and wind turbines (?), please explain why Bob the desert tortoise will meet a terrible end due to the evil humans and their nefarious shiny mirrors sticking up from the ground.

A change in environmental conditions. Suddenly, there's a bunch of black things blocking the sunlight, and building them (and all the things needed to maintain them and use them, like wires in the ground, roads and whatnot) takes a toll on the environment as well. We don't know enough about the effects of solar panels in deserts, as far as I know, to use them on a large scale yet.

So, I quote the terminator; If we can't put it in the Mojave Desert, WHERE THE HELL CAN WE PUT IIIITTTT BLLAAAARRGGHHH?

In orbit. All you need is about 36 thousand kilometers cable per satellite. Nothing can go wrong.

FOR TEH PLANET

[kaenneth]

Frantic woman drives up with an unconscious man in the passenger seat, "Which way is xxx Hospital?"

The stupid person says "Right," to indicate he understood the question, then "Turn left here, and it's just ahead."

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The stupid person was me...

Fortunately, she parsed it as intended, and turned left, not right.

[10ebbor10]

So, despite the obvious similarities of solar panels and wind turbines (?), please explain why Bob the desert tortoise will meet a terrible end due to the evil humans and their nefarious shiny mirrors sticking up from the ground.

A change in environmental conditions. Suddenly, there's a bunch of black things blocking the sunlight, and building them (and all the things needed to maintain them and use them, like wires in the ground, roads and whatnot) takes a toll on the environment as well. We don't know enough about the effects of solar panels in deserts, as far as I know, to use them on a large scale yet.

So, I quote the terminator; If we can't put it in the Mojave Desert, WHERE THE HELL CAN WE PUT IIIITTTT BLLAAAARRGGHHH?

There's plenty of old factories and whatnot. They're already near all the roads and stuff, so we can just take down older things we don't need and put solar panels there instead.

Reduced efficiency. Also, Idiots could get at them and break them.

And yeah, solar panels are pretty disruptive. Animals in desert generally rely on heat differences to regulate their biorhythm, so that little bit of shadow can make a huge difference.

[Eric Blank]

Fortunately, Bob the tortoise, while too slow to outrun the coyotes, is still fast enough to move out of the way of the shadow cast by an immobile, fucking, solar panel. That may or may not rotate occasionally. Or into it if he fucking feels like it. Don't tell Bob what he can or can't do!

I'd be most concerned for the lives of the sagebrush, if anything.

Just build a goddamn nuclear plant, fucking terminator. There are at least a few good locations for one nearby.

[Dutchling]

How is shadow going to disrupt anything? Can't an animal just... move a few metres or something?

I'm really struggling to understand your point.

[Flying Dice]

Don't you understand!? We're forcing those poor animals to walk to a slightly different part of barren desert in order to stay in the sun! Oh, the unhumanity!