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Author Topic: Amazingly Stupid Things You've Heard People Say  (Read 1035253 times)

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Re: Amazingly Stupid Things You've Heard People Say
« Reply #2175 on: October 16, 2012, 08:31:57 pm »

anyone who feels out of place in their body
As a pizza, I prefer the term "pastry".
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Re: Amazingly Stupid Things You've Heard People Say
« Reply #2176 on: October 16, 2012, 09:03:23 pm »

But pizza crust ish not pastry. Ish... Well, I'd say it's sort of like bread, but different.

Also: Heheheheheheheheh otherkin make me giggle.
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« Reply #2177 on: October 16, 2012, 09:10:30 pm »

Pizza probably falls under the category of "bread," albeit one with lots of toppings.
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For, in order that men should resist injustice, something more is necessary than that they should think injustice unpleasant. They must think injustice absurd; above all, they must think it startling. They must retain the violence of a virgin astonishment. When the pessimist looks at any infamy, it is to him, after all, only a repetition of the infamy of existence. But the optimist sees injustice as something discordant and unexpected, and it stings him into action.

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« Reply #2178 on: October 16, 2012, 09:15:36 pm »

Hell no. That's offensive. >:(
As a bread loaf, I do not identify with pizzas at all, although I respect them for their differences.
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Re: Amazingly Stupid Things You've Heard People Say
« Reply #2179 on: October 16, 2012, 09:16:19 pm »

Hell no. That's offensive. >:(
As a bread loaf, I do not identify with pizzas at all, although I respect them for their differences.

I'm a jelly donut born in a croissant's body D:
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Re: Amazingly Stupid Things You've Heard People Say
« Reply #2180 on: October 16, 2012, 09:16:26 pm »

It's much simpler than standard bread, since it's a flatbread. We call it pastry, because it stops being dough when it's cooked and the crust is only on the circumference...

...The gluten?
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Re: Amazingly Stupid Things You've Heard People Say
« Reply #2181 on: October 16, 2012, 09:17:22 pm »

Pizza probably falls under the category of "bread," albeit one with lots of toppings.
It also hsas tomato sauca, a fruit. if you put pepperoni on it, is also meat. Cheese too. Grain, fruit, Meat, Cheese, pizza is awesome.
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Re: Amazingly Stupid Things You've Heard People Say
« Reply #2182 on: October 16, 2012, 09:17:32 pm »

Hell no. That's offensive. >:(
As a bread loaf, I do not identify with pizzas at all, although I respect them for their differences.
Can you find the prepared meal?

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No. You can't. Because pastries are people too. Respect our differences.
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Re: Amazingly Stupid Things You've Heard People Say
« Reply #2183 on: October 16, 2012, 09:27:45 pm »

The real problem is that it's highly intellectually dishonest. Being a person with a logic fetish, it's not actually bad moral premises that piss me off (as much); it's a bad argument. I have a lot more respect for libertarians than for the Religious Right. Why? Because libertarians are honest about what they believe and what the results of that are. The Religious Right invoke a man who said "blessed are the poor", "love your enemies" and "he who is without sin, let him cast the first stone" to cut welfare, engage in reckless warmongering and persecute gay people.

So, what's going on here? Well, part of the problem is that identities are actually beliefs (right or wrong ones), not labels. Most of the time, they are labels, of the form "I am an X"="I believe that [traits of X apply to me]". Nobody will really say that a man who believes in the god of the Koran and not those of the Vedas but, for whatever batshit reason, calls himself a Hindu is a Hindu; he's a Muslim. This may sound like glossing over important differences, but affirming a full and complete separation of belief and identity leads you to some confusing and nonsensical conclusions. And this works the other way, as we shall see.

Why is this important? Well, do my highly tolerant and accepting friends condemn Todd Akin? You bet they do. Now, if what Todd Akin were saying were true and women couldn't get pregnant from rape, he would just be stating a fact and they would be engaging in denialism. But he's not. That what he is saying is false and that he's being a misogynistic asshole is actually completely irrelevant here. Todd Akin says "women can't get pregnant from rape"; this is equivalent to "Hi, I'm Todd Akin and I identify as someone who thinks women can't get pregnant from rape." By saying that Todd Akin is being a misogynistic jerkass- or, sorry, making a moral judgment with regards to his being a misogynistic jerkass, since this is a distinction we do need to make- you are condemning an identity. But you told ME that identities are unjudgeable- and, furthermore, you are judging me for saying that at least some identities are judgeable, a belief I am holding, equivalent to an unspoken identity "I identify as someone who judges certain identities". This is a contradiction.

It's stuff like this that makes me not like postmodernism. I have no problem with analyzing issues from a minority viewpoint- indeed it's often the only way to analyze an issue. But let's not pretend that we can condemn the status quo while letting minorities get a free ride. Or we can- but then we chuck any pretenses at universality and consistency out the window. That's fine with some postmodernists, I'm sure, given that- as per the Sokal Hoax- postmodernism and sociology seem to be content to tell science that they are better at science than science is.
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Re: Amazingly Stupid Things You've Heard People Say
« Reply #2184 on: October 16, 2012, 09:31:00 pm »

I'd separate held beliefs and identity. Identity is what you can point to and say "this represents who I am."

What you believe only represents... well, what you believe. It's a specific part of you, rather than "you" as a whole.


I don't really care about otherkin/whatever because they're simply not harming anyone. Therefore, I will not judge. Period.
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For, in order that men should resist injustice, something more is necessary than that they should think injustice unpleasant. They must think injustice absurd; above all, they must think it startling. They must retain the violence of a virgin astonishment. When the pessimist looks at any infamy, it is to him, after all, only a repetition of the infamy of existence. But the optimist sees injustice as something discordant and unexpected, and it stings him into action.

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Re: Amazingly Stupid Things You've Heard People Say
« Reply #2185 on: October 16, 2012, 09:44:20 pm »

But then, I'm going to say someone is silly for believing they're a pizza or a flying wolf (these are real examples), and is that really any different from saying they're silly for identifying as a pizza or a flying wolf? I don't think you can separate all beliefs from their corresponding identities, nor all identities from their corresponding beliefs.
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@Footjob, you can microwave most grains I've tried pretty easily through the microwave, even if they aren't packaged for it.

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« Reply #2186 on: October 16, 2012, 10:02:03 pm »

A belief is merely a held idea in which you believe to be true. An identity is a belief specifically about what you believe represents and/or "is" you. Not all beliefs are identities, but all identities are beliefs.

And when it comes to who you are, who's a better authority on that than you?
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For, in order that men should resist injustice, something more is necessary than that they should think injustice unpleasant. They must think injustice absurd; above all, they must think it startling. They must retain the violence of a virgin astonishment. When the pessimist looks at any infamy, it is to him, after all, only a repetition of the infamy of existence. But the optimist sees injustice as something discordant and unexpected, and it stings him into action.

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Re: Amazingly Stupid Things You've Heard People Say
« Reply #2187 on: October 16, 2012, 10:06:05 pm »

Quote from: praphrasing of some extreme idiots who seem to really hate furries
Dude, liking furry porn is worse then bestiality at least bestiality is natural.

I am both concerned and slightly disturbed by this. multiple people actually agreed with this sentiment.
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« Reply #2188 on: October 16, 2012, 10:07:22 pm »

...Point me in their direction. I have a pickaxe which is just dieing to meet them.
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« Reply #2189 on: October 16, 2012, 10:09:34 pm »

Quote from: praphrasing of some extreme idiots who seem to really hate furries
Dude, liking furry porn is worse then bestiality at least bestiality is natural.

I am both concerned and slightly disturbed by this. multiple people actually agreed with this sentiment.
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PETA would go apopleptic over this. They probably like furry cause of its naturization of humans. Bestality is just sexual brutality.
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