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[Loud Whispers]

So it has come to this.

That is has.

[Flying Dice]

I would say the first real democratic goverment would probably be the US goverment (technically the Corsican Republic beat it by 30 years, as well as having female suffrage, but that doesn't really count because it was so short lived and small). Setting the Magna Carta as the start date seems kind of silly.[/minor nitpick]

Except Athens beat the US by about 2000 years.

Except that Athens defined "citizen" as "free property-owning male".

I used the Magna Carta as a somewhat arbitrary "start" date because while it was essentially drafted for the sake of the nobility, it was still a recognition of citizens having rights. But whatever, maybe it was a bad example.

[10ebbor10]

I would say the first real democratic goverment would probably be the US goverment (technically the Corsican Republic beat it by 30 years, as well as having female suffrage, but that doesn't really count because it was so short lived and small). Setting the Magna Carta as the start date seems kind of silly.[/minor nitpick]

Except Athens beat the US by about 2000 years.

Except that Athens defined "citizen" as "free property-owning male".

I used the Magna Carta as a somewhat arbitrary "start" date because while it was essentially drafted for the sake of the nobility, it was still a recognition of citizens having rights. But whatever, maybe it was a bad example.

Actually, the restriction was a bit stricter. You parents had to be citizens as well, for example, and there was an age limit.(Above 30, I believe).

[MrWillsauce]

I don't think your parents had to be citizens necessarily; you just had to be born in Athens. Also Athens was rife with inequality and mistreatment of women.

[Roboboy33]

"Who's the current president?"
"Barrack Obama!"
"And what is he part of?"
"The first lady!"

I dont even.

[kaijyuu]

I'm trying to make sense of that and it isn't working. Is it an insult? A complement? A statement of (probably absurd) fact?

[Roboboy33]

I'm trying to make sense of that and it isn't working. Is it an insult? A complement? A statement of (probably absurd) fact?

It was my little sister getting help with her homework :L

[Descan]

I like Malian history and the Swahili city states. They and north Africa are... Pretty much the only pieces  pre-colonial history in Africa I know anything about. Including their existence.

[Askot Bokbondeler]

I would say the first real democratic goverment would probably be the US goverment (technically the Corsican Republic beat it by 30 years, as well as having female suffrage, but that doesn't really count because it was so short lived and small). Setting the Magna Carta as the start date seems kind of silly.[/minor nitpick]

Except Athens beat the US by about 2000 years.

Except that Athens defined "citizen" as "free property-owning male".

Except that the US defined "citizen" as "white male". it wasn't any less exclusive

[Pnx]

I like Malian history and the Swahili city states. They and north Africa are... Pretty much the only pieces  pre-colonial history in Africa I know anything about. Including their existence.

Well a lot of Africa doesn't really have much history to look at due to lacking writing. There's the areas that adopted Islamic writings, and one or two places that developed their own, but it wasn't a very wide spread thing in most of Africa.

[kaijyuu]

Middle eastern and asian history are the ones I think are under taught, at least in US schools. They spent like a day on both of those combined. Apparently King Henry the 8th's promiscuity is of roughly equal importance.

[SealyStar]

I can see my house on Google maps with a zoom far enough away to see the entire country.

And to that last question, banks and tourism I guess?

That's strange. I must have a different version of Google Maps, given that I can't even see my city at that zoom.

Are you a billionaire?

And anyway, if we want to de-Europify history, the secret is to actually blend histories, not just teach Euro-American for eight months and then take one to speak endlessly on Africa and African-Americans.

My world history class did that wonderfully. In fact, we probably wound up learning more about China than Britain and the US combined.

[Darvi]

That's strange. I must have a different version of Google Maps, given that I can't even see my city at that zoom.

You must live in a country that actually has a relevant size.

[SealyStar]

That's strange. I must have a different version of Google Maps, given that I can't even see my city at that zoom.

You must live in a country that actually has a relevant size.

Wait, do you live in Luxembourg? I thought you meant that if you zoomed in to the largest zoom where you could still see the whole country, then applied that zoom to wherever you lived.

So did you mean that you actually live in Luxembourg? That shouldn't change anything, of course, given that zoom levels are roughly uniform across the map, and I certainly couldn't make out any individual buildings in Luxembourg, let alone one house.

[Darvi]

As I said, I cheated a bit to get one or two zoom levels extra. Still not exactly enough to actually recognize any actual buildings, but it works for actually seeing a blurry speck on the map.