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[Darvi]

At least one branch of my family is from Luxumbourg, A.K.A The country so small the Goodyear can be spotted on a map of the whole damn thing.

So fucking true.

[MrWillsauce]

*Ahem*

This'd make a great discussion for the progressive discussion thread, but it kinda stopped belonging in the stupid thread a while ago...

Agreed, but then again half the posts in the thread don't belong here.

[Seamas]

So it has come to this.

[Askot Bokbondeler]

The first modern conception of civil rights as such, the Magna Carta, was passed into law in 1225. The first modern nation to give women the vote was New Zealand, in 1893. It took close to 700 years for "Western" society to get from the idea of, "Gee, maybe freemen should have some rights." to "Gee, maybe slightly more than 50% of our population should get some sort of say in our representative government.

[minor nitpick]The Magna Carta wasn't really about the rights of those without power, it was about enforcing the rights of the high nobility.
I would say the first real democratic goverment would probably be the US goverment (technically the Corsican Republic beat it by 30 years, as well as having female suffrage, but that doesn't really count because it was so short lived and small). Setting the Magna Carta as the start date seems kind of silly.[/minor nitpick]

if you want to be even more nitpicky you can say that the us government wasn't always really democratic or has never been democratic. the definition of democracy isn't really set in stone, nor is it a binary adjective, and is dependant on context. many governments we historically class as democratic wouldn't really be thought of as democracies in the modern world, including the founding fathers' america

[ed boy]

The phrase "white history month is 12 months long" comes to mind.

Being proud of being white should probably be less problematic, but its history of being arm-in-arm with white supremacy has made a lot of people uneasy about it. Personally I'm wary of anyone who's proud of being white, but fine with anyone proud of being Irish/German/insert specific European heritage here.

Black history doesn't begin with slavery, and blacks exist in more places than America. You can find just as much history of black people doing nasty things as you can of white people. If you're celebrating only the good aspects of black history, then there's plenty of reasons to be proud of being white.

I would say the first real democratic goverment would probably be the US goverment (technically the Corsican Republic beat it by 30 years, as well as having female suffrage, but that doesn't really count because it was so short lived and small). Setting the Magna Carta as the start date seems kind of silly.[/minor nitpick]

Except Athens beat the US by about 2000 years.

[Karnewarrior]

At least one branch of my family is from Luxumbourg, A.K.A The country so small the Goodyear can be spotted on a map of the whole damn thing.

So fucking true.

Goodyear as in tire center, mind you. A individual building.

It's stupid small and wedged in between France and Germany, earning this weeks award for "How the hell does this country still exist?"

[Darvi]

I can see my house on Google maps with a zoom far enough away to see the entire country.

And to that last question, banks and tourism I guess?

[Karnewarrior]

  Where do you live Darvi? I didn't think any other countries were that small ecept the vatican and some island nations.

[Darvi]

It's not like you could make out any details, but I could point at the pixel and say "that blur there is my house (and a couple others)".

I also cheated and flipped the entire map my 90° so that I could zoom in a but further.

[10ebbor10]

I can see my house on Google maps with a zoom far enough away to see the entire country.

And to that last question, banks and tourism I guess?

I believe it's mainly used as headquarters by several multinationals.

[miauw62]

Yup, apparantly its famous for whitewashing of money.

[Darvi]

Ssshhhhh, stay quiet! I want to keep it yanno?

[penguinofhonor]

The phrase "white history month is 12 months long" comes to mind.

Being proud of being white should probably be less problematic, but its history of being arm-in-arm with white supremacy has made a lot of people uneasy about it. Personally I'm wary of anyone who's proud of being white, but fine with anyone proud of being Irish/German/insert specific European heritage here.

Black history doesn't begin with slavery, and blacks exist in more places than America. You can find just as much history of black people doing nasty things as you can of white people. If you're celebrating only the good aspects of black history, then there's plenty of reasons to be proud of being white.

Black History Month doesn't exist because white people did bad things. It exists because without it history is even more disproportionately skewed towards whites than it is already. It's not making up for anything white people did in the past, it's compensating for a bias against blacks that exists now.

[kaenneth]

The phrase "white history month is 12 months long" comes to mind.

Being proud of being white should probably be less problematic, but its history of being arm-in-arm with white supremacy has made a lot of people uneasy about it. Personally I'm wary of anyone who's proud of being white, but fine with anyone proud of being Irish/German/insert specific European heritage here.

Black history doesn't begin with slavery, and blacks exist in more places than America. You can find just as much history of black people doing nasty things as you can of white people. If you're celebrating only the good aspects of black history, then there's plenty of reasons to be proud of being white.

Black History Month doesn't exist because white people did bad things. It exists because without it history is even more disproportionately skewed towards whites than it is already. It's not making up for anything white people did in the past, it's compensating for a bias against blacks that exists now.

As Mark Twain said, "Clothes make the man. Naked people have little or no influence on society."

Black people are trying to make up for the long period of being mostly naked in africa by wearing hoodies, puffy jackets, and pants that are too large; but they have a long way to go.

[kaijyuu]

And their time being "mostly naked in Africa" isn't valid history to study?

When it comes to semi recent history, I can understand why it's "skewed" toward whites: they've been on top of the socioeconomic ladder and thus all the big "important" events in economics and politics have been about them. But history classes can certainly move out of Europe a bit when discussing pre-colonial stuff.