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[Mr. Dwarfinton]

How am I defending him? I simply asked what the point of the question was, he replied, I replied that I read it in a way that made me question the question.

Sorry about the fragment of a post I'm currently a bit busy. I'll make a longer post later today.

[kingfisher1112]

Deathsword: With a good reason it's fine.

Boltur: When no reason is given. Again, if it is just 'Me Too' then I find that suspicious. Hey, it's just me.

IC's: Can we vote 'No Lynch' on the first day?

[Bookthras]

IC's: Can we vote 'No Lynch' on the first day?

I'm not an IC, but I once wrote a rant about nolynches on Day One that I think would be beneficial for this audience, so I quote it below. In brief, you can (i.e., it's a valid vote, and if it has majority no lynch will happen) but you shouldn't unless you have a very very good reason. Actual ICs will, of course, chime in with their own thoughts, and there are different considerations to be had in subsequent days; the below applies only for D1.

Even in a game like this, or a role-heavy game like a BYOR, paranormal, or bastard, without a D1 lynch people will lack context for the conversation during the day, which is the very point of the day game. The information lost is not just the flip of a person, but who voted them, with what arguments, and forms the very foundation of how the town power roles will choose their night actions. Information is key, and timely information moreso. People flipping at the start of D2 is not nearly as useful, and a nolynch will result in people using their powers on whoever they were voting (if block/investigate) or a crapshoot for protections and the like, due to lack of context and closure.

A D1 no-lynch pretty much wastes all of D1 content, and gives scum a chance to NK/convert/whatever while town has to shoot in the dark. The amount of information lost is not small, but most importantly, you lose the opportunity to use it. N1 will never come again. Even if you learn the information later, you'll never get that night back, which scum got for free. Not good for town at all.

Also considering the fact that the D1 lynchee is almost always town (when was the last time anyone saw a scum hang D1?),

Not that rare. The very last game I played (Cybrid Mafia 3) we lynched scum D1. A couple games before that (Politibastard) as well, though that was a... different sort of game. I'm sure there are several others.

So sure, it doesn't happen that often, but it certainly does happen. Plus the possibility of a mislynch is built into the balance of the game. If there is going to be one, it's best for town that it happens sooner rather than later, so maximum information is provided early. It's never good, but a D1 no-lynch is worse.


Please disabuse yourself of the notion that a D1 no-lynch is good for town ever. Except in very narrow types of games where constant (not just D1) no-lynch can be used to break the setup (which is not the case here), whenever you think a D1 no-lynch is good because it's cautious, it's misapplied caution, and will hurt town much more than a possible mislynch would.

[Jim Groovester]

IC's: Can we vote 'No Lynch' on the first day?

Basically what Bookthras said. You can, but it's never a good idea.

Lynches are the town's primary means of investigation, and it's not a good idea to waste one with a no lynch.

[borno]

Hapah:

borno: Can you please explain why you voted DS? I may have missed it; let me know if that's the case.

I am voting for him because of Fluffy's pressure vote, and to put on a little pressure myself. He seems to be handling it fine though, so unvote.

Dariush: What do you think about Fluffy, since he's using the exact same tactic that you advised Hapah not to do?

[Teneb]

Deathsword: With a good reason it's fine.

Once more you DID NOT ANSWER THE QUESTION.

kingfisher: Jumping on a bandwagon with a reason is alright ? What reason that would be ?

The bolded part.

Unvote
kingfisher, tell me, why are you trying so hard to avoid that question? Do you want to bandwagon someone?

FluffyBinLaden, you seem to be throwing some heavy accusations. I hate to be jumping on a bandwagon, but you appear to be very overt in your rallying efforts.

Looks like you do, scum.

I have yet no idea if FBL is scum or just some insane newtown, but that there, that's a tell you dropped. Anything to say on that?

[Hapah]

Unvote.

Thanks Book!

borno: Alright. So you voted DS (the 3rd vote, mind you) and didn't question anyone else? Do you have any suspicions right now, no matter how thin?

DS: In post 82 you seem annoyed that Fluffy votes you over a single RVS question, but you don't seem to mind voting someone (me) with the very first post of the game. What's the distinction that makes your vote acceptable and his not?

[Teneb]

Hapah: That was just an RVS vote. I did not consider FBL's vote an RVS one since it had no (real) question at all.

[borno]

Hapah: Now that I've gone through the posts, I guess I suspect FBL, for voting Deathsword in what initially seemed like a pressure vote and then absolutely disappearing.

[Hapah]

Deathsword: Okay.

Book/PotL: Can we get a prod on Fluffy?

[Jim Groovester]

I'm going to request an extension since I haven't quite come across a player I think is scummy enough to lynch, and other games, mafia and otherwise, have been dominating my time.

Unvote, by the way.

Hapah, so what were you hoping to get out of your reasonless vote on Deathsword? And what did you get out of it?

[Hapah]

Jim: Two things. First, I thought I might (emphasis on the might) catch someone being a little overzealous (borno and Fluffy both hopped on board rather easily). Second, it feels like it got the game going a lot faster. People aren't asking "What's your favorite ice cream?" or "Do you like turtles?"

[kingfisher1112]

Deathsword: If he has acted scum, then that is a good reason. If he defends, another good reason. If he and someone else both have voted someone, then again, a good reason. Basic scumtells. The reason is subjective. I don't want to bandwagon anyone.
My vote still stands. FBL is certainly suspicious, and you seem just like a really good Town player. Or an even better mafia.

[kingfisher1112]

Whoops, also want an extension.

[Hapah]

king: bold the request for extend like Jim did. I think it's a rules thing.