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Malacath

Gork

Mork

Morgoth

Saruman

Bhall

Father Sky

[smakemupagus]

sorry, i don't have any particular insight into what happened there.  Do warlocks have a dragonfire attack? ... that might be hot enough to melt cages and detonate landmine inside.

lol @ shaman demanding orichalcum cabinets too, as if you didn't have enough problems at the time

[Meph]

Landmines might be able to fire from inside cages, I know some FBs had dust/cloud effects when stuck in a cage. I have to test that. But yes, that wasnt a warlock, that was the landmine. Maybe it was hit by a warlock spell emission for whatever reason...

[smakemupagus]

>> the trade depot exploded, destroying it, all the limestone paved roads around it, blowing the wooden door off the nearby buildings,
>> setting the entire lower part of the map on fire, and killing everyone and everything at the trade depot except 1 fire turret and 2 zombies. I'm still trying to
>> find out how this happened

By the way I hope some TV network execs are reading this forum?  If you guys make this the pilot for a new Law & Order or CSI spinoff I will watch it

[thefish1992]

ok i will deffinatly keep that in mind from now on, thanks for the quick help with this.

>> the trade depot exploded, destroying it, all the limestone paved roads around it, blowing the wooden door off the nearby buildings,
>> setting the entire lower part of the map on fire, and killing everyone and everything at the trade depot except 1 fire turret and 2 zombies. I'm still trying to
>> find out how this happened

 which killed several of my military, which let a drow anbush weaken them, which let a herd of centaurs slaughter them and a good number of the populace, which let another warlock necromancer trader finish of the fort. all in about 5 minutes irl, Domino effect for the FUN.

[smakemupagus]

Brainstorming on "Putnamizing" the magic system.

As many of you all might know Putnam has invented this DFHack script for making enchanted arms and armor.  Here is my thoughts on upcoming changes to make use of it.  As always open to feedback.

The existing Arcane Forge gets split into separate buildings.
* New Arcane Forge -> Magic gear only, becomes a domestic building; now that Orichalcum is SPECIAL (rare) it can be limited just through material scarcity rather than blueprint
* Runesmith -> Becomes a Barbarian (dwarven) tech building
* Glass-smith -> TBD (maybe replaced with crystal-cavern type building as the drowish Barbarian tech)
* Magma source -> TBD (craft at Arcane forge from Blood of Armok?)

New Arcane Forge
* Still keep Weapons firing bladeshards/runebolts with AOE spells; like current system

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

actually, it might be that we can't use both, because of course the runebolts are made of syndrome, i dunno how this will work in tandem with itemsyndrome.  maybe immunities, although, it's not necessarily intended that orcs are always immune, that might be better than the alternative.

* NEW Voodoo focus; a "shield" type item (with very low Blockchance of course) that allows you to cast a particular powerful spell when wielded.  Intended to be restricted use to Dreamwalkers & other mages, hopefully that is possible.  These might include spells that are "dangerous" and you want to control carefully who can cast them or not.
     * Raise Dead
     * Lunacy (frenzy, maybe tied to the lunar cycle if I can make it work)
     * Toxic Spores
     * Blizzard (see the "Frostbite" thread)
     * Healing
* NEW Dreamwalkers Runerobe; a light armor that boosts your MAGIC_NATURE skill learn rate, therefore buffs effectiveness with weapons

Additions to Meadhall
* Special Mead with effects (Black Draught, Sharkey's Firewater, etc.)
* NEW Berzerker's Lupine Mask (Prone to rage)
* NEW Opaque Lupine Mask (No fear)
* NEW Shadowsilk Lupine Mask (Immune to webs)

Additions to Heavy Weapons Armory
* NEW Sapper's Satchel Charge (shield, gives massive explosion when Fleeing)
* NEW Flamethrowing Cannon (gives the abilities of the old-style orcish grenadier - Fireimmune, spray lignite vapor & webs, firejet)
* NEW Experimental Warp Musket (what could go wrong?)

[Meph]

Remember, you can only work with syndromes and the supported tags. Skills, skill learn rates, web immunity... those dont work.

[smakemupagus]

doh

..

too bad.  I don't really care about web immunity but I liked the mage's robes

[Meph]

Well, the rest is fine, and interactions can do... most everything. It really is quite mindblowing what can be done.

[Gamerlord]

Brainstorming on "Putnamizing" the magic system.

As many of you all might know Putnam has invented this DFHack script for making enchanted arms and armor.  Here is my thoughts on upcoming changes to make use of it.  As always open to feedback.

The existing Arcane Forge gets split into separate buildings.
* New Arcane Forge -> Magic gear only, becomes a domestic building; now that Orichalcum is SPECIAL (rare) it can be limited just through material scarcity rather than blueprint
* Runesmith -> Becomes a Barbarian (dwarven) tech building
* Glass-smith -> TBD (maybe replaced with crystal-cavern type building as the drowish Barbarian tech)
* Magma source -> TBD (craft at Arcane forge from Blood of Armok?)

New Arcane Forge
* Still keep Weapons firing bladeshards/runebolts with AOE spells; like current system

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

actually, it might be that we can't use both, because of course the runebolts are made of syndrome, i dunno how this will work in tandem with itemsyndrome.  maybe immunities, although, it's not necessarily intended that orcs are always immune, that might be better than the alternative.

* NEW Voodoo focus; a "shield" type item (with very low Blockchance of course) that allows you to cast a particular powerful spell when wielded.  Intended to be restricted use to Dreamwalkers & other mages, hopefully that is possible.  These might include spells that are "dangerous" and you want to control carefully who can cast them or not.
     * Raise Dead
     * Lunacy (frenzy, maybe tied to the lunar cycle if I can make it work)
     * Toxic Spores
     * Blizzard (see the "Frostbite" thread)
     * Healing
* NEW Dreamwalkers Runerobe; a light armor that boosts your MAGIC_NATURE skill learn rate, therefore buffs effectiveness with weapons

Additions to Meadhall
* Special Mead with effects (Black Draught, Sharkey's Firewater, etc.)
* NEW Berzerker's Lupine Mask (Prone to rage)
* NEW Opaque Lupine Mask (No fear)
* NEW Shadowsilk Lupine Mask (Immune to webs)

Additions to Heavy Weapons Armory
* NEW Sapper's Satchel Charge (shield, gives massive explosion when Fleeing)
* NEW Flamethrowing Cannon (gives the abilities of the old-style orcish grenadier - Fireimmune, spray lignite vapor & webs, firejet)
* NEW Experimental Warp Musket (what could go wrong?)

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I need a fresh set of pants. 

Actually. Can I make a (minor) suggestion: can we get some sort of warrior society armour, like metal/scaleplate combo for dragon society? More for flavour than anything else really.

[smakemupagus]

Actually. Can I make a (minor) suggestion: can we get some sort of warrior society armour, like metal/scaleplate combo for dragon society? More for flavour than anything else really.

Sure, let me ask are you picturing that there would be a batch process to quickly make sets out of already existing materials and armor pieces (just a flavor/conveniene thing)?  Or that the society armor would be like a special chestpiece item that carry some minor enchantment?

[Gamerlord]

Probably existing materials, but it would be cool if very minor boosts were present. Nothing overtly magical, but, for the dragon society warrior, maybe a slight boost to dodging due to being armoured in scales? Or is that mot possible?

[smakemupagus]

Yeah it's possible to do minor enchants, but only by making a new material for each one, so I don't want to go too crazy with it.  I'll probably stick to just the Masks being enchanted for starters.

[Gamerlord]

Also: would it be possible to combine gauntlets and rolls of barbed wire to make a weapon that usesnstriking skill and acts like the barbed wores in traps? It just sounds very orcish to me.

[smakemupagus]

It is certainly possible, in fact just for fun I put together the item -- it has the physical dimensions of the barbed wire and the velocity multiplier of a simple jab strike (normal barbed wire strikes even more slowly than that).  Even throw in an uppercut which should give it some killing power.  It is still redundant, it basically combines the worst attributes of either war claws or bladed chains, so I think I won't put it in the mod.   But if you want help with a reaction to mod it into your own version let me know

[ITEM_WEAPON:ITEM_WEAPON_FIST_CHAIN]
[NAME:barbedwire wrapped gloves:barbedwire wrapped gloves]
[SIZE:700]
[SKILL:GRASP_STRIKE]
[TWO_HANDED:900000]
[MINIMUM_SIZE:42500]
[MATERIAL_SIZE:2]
[ATTACK:EDGE:20:80:jab:jabs:left barbedwire glove:1000]
[ATTACK:EDGE:20:80:strike:strikes:right barbedwire glove:1200]
[ATTACK:BLUNT:250:4000:strike a glancing blow:strikes a glancing blow:left glove:1000]
[ATTACK:BLUNT:250:4000:strike a glancing blow:strikes a glancing blow:right glove:1000]
[ATTACK:EDGE:20:80:uppercut:uppercuts:barbedwire glove:1800]

[Gamerlord]

Nah. Thats fine. I thought it might be a good weapon to equip militias with. Oh well. Actually, I thought that a 'glancing blow' would inflict MORE edge damage but a lot shallower... Didn't think it would be blunt. Scraping skin with barbed wire IRL can be EXTREMELY painful.