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[MetalSlimeHunt]

but individual particles have a non zero chance of being in any location you can name. The odds involved are mind bogglingly small, but assuming time itself doesn't cease to exist, it is inevitable that every potential organization of the universe will occur eventually. The second law of thermodynamics doesn't work when classical mechanics no longer apply.

Being that time is relative and that the universe is headed towards a heat death, we can say with some measure of certainty that time will eventually cease to exist and did not exist once "before". As temporal beings, comprehending a lack of time is something intrinsically difficult.

[Eagle_eye]

How could time cease to exist? Even if the universe has zero free energy, that wouldn't mean that time doesn't exist. In fact, doesn't time move faster as gravity gets weaker?

[Criptfeind]

What is time for the propose of this conversation anyway? I am lost.

[Eagle_eye]

Not quite sure what you're asking

[10ebbor10]

How could time cease to exist? Even if the universe has zero free energy, that wouldn't mean that time doesn't exist. In fact, doesn't time move faster as gravity gets weaker?

Time would not cease to exist. It would simply be entirely and utterly meaningless, because everything would have reached the lowest organisation it could get. All the energy would be spread out, and there would be no chance for anything to happen, at all.

but individual particles have a non zero chance of being in any location you can name. The odds involved are mind bogglingly small, but assuming time itself doesn't cease to exist, it is inevitable that every potential organization of the universe will occur eventually. The second law of thermodynamics doesn't work when classical mechanics no longer apply.

Ah, good old Quantum mechanics. However after a certain amount of time, even particles cease to exist. While under our current intrepretation the spontanous formation of Earth out of nothing is possible, it is however, extremely unlikely.

What is time for the propose of this conversation anyway? I am lost.

10 PM, sadly not interested, no idea, me too.

[Criptfeind]

Not quite sure what you're asking

You are asking how it can cease to exist. But what actually is it? Depending on your definition of time the answer might not be the same.

What actually is time? Especially given a heat death situation.

10 PM

Also my watch says 3. Explain that one atheists. Gods miracle.

[MetalSlimeHunt]

How could time cease to exist? Even if the universe has zero free energy, that wouldn't mean that time doesn't exist. In fact, doesn't time move faster as gravity gets weaker?

Time is a factor of gravity, which is a factor of matter. By the time heat death happens, all of the universe's matter will have collapsed into black holes, which will eventually evaporate without having additional matter introduced to them. "No" matter, no energy, no time. Nothing, essentially. For all intents and purposes, time has ceased to be.

Granted, there is little point on speculating about it since humanity will almost certainly be long dead by then.

[Eagle_eye]

Time is not a factor of matter. Time can exist when the curvature of spacetime is 0.

[MetalSlimeHunt]

I mean it in the sense of having any sort of significance. Matter will also still exist after the heat death since it can't really be destroyed, but it won't matter (Edit: Pun Not Intended). The curvature of spacetime will become a constant of 0. Time will cease to exist for all intents and purposes. While it will technically still exist, nothing will ever happen again.

Probably. What we know about this gets very fuzzy and pure hypothesis after heat death.

[MagmaMcFry]

What about the quantum improbability thingy?

[MonkeyHead]

Dont get me started on Closed Timelike Curves...

[10ebbor10]

What about the quantum improbability thingy?

Yeah, that's kinda the problem, and also the reason Entropy is a theory, not a law. There are millions way to get things disorganized, but only a few to get things more organized, At the moment when you reach max disorganisation, the chances of going up are much larger.

[Blacksmith]

What about the quantum improbability thingy?

Yeah, that's kinda the problem, and also the reason Entropy is a theory, not a law. There are millions way to get things disorganized, but only a few to get things more organized, At the moment when you reach max disorganisation, the chances of going up are much larger.

Uh... no. Entropy is a property, defined by a law.

That's like saying length is a theory.

Even then, Entropy is tightly tied to laws moreso than theories. The only theory that even really binds close to it is information theory, no? Just, overall, a weird  statement.

[10ebbor10]

What about the quantum improbability thingy?

Yeah, that's kinda the problem, and also the reason Entropy is a theory, not a law. There are millions way to get things disorganized, but only a few to get things more organized, At the moment when you reach max disorganisation, the chances of going up are much larger.

Uh... no. Entropy is a property, defined by a law.

That's like saying length is a theory.

I meant that the fact that Entropy always increases is a theory, not a law...

[Blacksmith]

Except... that's wrong. There's no theory that says entropy always increases. There IS the second law of thermodynamics, but that is, in fact, a law, and not a theory. And even that doesn't say entropy always increases.

Also, good theories tend, on average, to be stronger than laws, since theories can take into account new data and predict future exceptions, while laws need to be rewritten should observations change...