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[10ebbor10]

actually if we settle on the mars equator , it is 30°temperature points there . and i am find with that .

OCCASIONALLY.
The rest of the time: ~-76. FARENHEIT.
Also is Olympus Mons on equator anyway?
I thought we were going there.

No going to Olympus Mons. It's pointless, and will needlesly complicate our flight (The top is almost above the athmosphere, making landing extremely hard). Also, while landing on the solar systems largest volcano might seem nice, keep in mind that you're landing on the solar systems largest dead volcano. There's no magma there. I propose we land near the poles, or near an underground glacier. That way we have water, which we can turn into rocket fuel.

[brainfreez]

YOU ARE DOING IT WRONG !!!! the mars has extremely low pressure and liquid water cannot exist on mars , only the deepest valley could have a bit of liquid water , so mars cannot have any liquid water .

that's why mars has no oceans .

[misko27]

Hey wait, no destroy earth. Lots of stuff on earth. Like indoctrinatable humans, and oxygen, And Metals uncommon on mars. And peoples relatives.

I believe that olympus mons does have magma pockets. But I suppose... Fine, Polar base it is. Because you need water for booze, and nuculear coolant.

[10ebbor10]

YOU ARE DOING IT WRONG !!!! the mars has extremely low pressure and liquid water cannot exist on mars , only the deepest valley could have a bit of liquid water , so mars cannot have any liquid water .

That's not true. Martian athmospherical pressure is 0.6 athmosphere. This is more then enough for liquid water to exist. In fact, humans can probably survive outside, should they be properly prepared(And Mars not being so frikkin cold, and have the right composition). Besides, the mass exploitation of underground ice reserves will certainly increase the athmospherical pressure as water vapour(important greenhouse gas) and whatever gasses got locked up in the ice are freed.

Hey wait, no destroy earth. Lots of stuff on earth. Like indoctrinatable humans, and oxygen, And Metals uncommon on mars. And peoples relatives.

I believe that olympus mons does have magma pockets. But I suppose... Fine, Polar base it is. Because you need water for booze, and nuculear coolant.

We don't need to go that polar. Many volcanos have rock covered glaciers. We just can't land on the top, we have to land much lower.

[brainfreez]

also mars has 2 times longer summers and other times of year and i think 20°temperature points are enough to survive and those -50° temperature points are in winter .

10eebor10 , i took all that info from wiki so you don't fiddle with me and earth has like 100 pressure compared to the mars 0.6 . and wiki said water cannot stay on mars .

[TopHat]

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

1. We're planning to destroy Earth, not save it.
2. There are lot's of greenhouse gasses needed(Like, a lot.) We can't transport anything without creating more greenhouse gasses to move it.** Instead I propose we melt Mars ice layers, thereby hitting 3 birds with one stone:
            A: Liquid water
            B: Greenhouse gasses (That are captured in the ice)
            C: We get to blow up a large area of our own planet
3. A space elevator, by it's very idea needs to be constructed at the equator. Also, it can't be build in the timeframe of the mission*. (Also, don't want to give Earth an advantage) For going to space, I suggest using conventionall rockets, assisted by chemical drives to get out of LEO to Geo where they will be picked up by the orbiter.

*Cost way to much. To build it we would need to invest more than for the rest of the mission. Also the tech doesn't exist yet.
** Because we're talking about thousands of tonnes of greenhouse gasses, and probably even much more. (also, you can't just pluck greenhouse gasses out of the sky.)

actually if we settle on the mars equator , it is 30°temperature points there . and i am find with that .

It's never 30 degrees on the equator. In the hottest day on Mars, in the middle of Summer, it might be 20 degrees max at midday. The average temperature will always be -50 degrees or something. I hate it when people see max temperature 30 degrees and think that it's always that hot at the equator. That's an extreme, and temperatures on Mars are way more unstable then on Earth

1. In the long run. For now we save it, and make terrans happy. Happy terrans give money. Money good. Then we use money to TAKE OVER terra. Terrans unhappy. Many terrans die-die.
2. Terrans always produce greenhouse gasses. We can put filters on exhausts/ factories. The governments will probably pay us as well. Though the melting ice caps can help.
3. Terraforming is a long term project. Also, most tech does technically exist.
As for the Earth advantage:
The Terran troops enter the elevator. The elevator goes into space. The elevator opens doors. Space strikes the terrans in the oxygen and the severed part sails of in an arc! The Terran troops have aesphixiated. Or:
The Terran troops enter the elevator! The elevator goes to top of atmosphere! The elevator falls to the ground!
As for the station itself:
The terrans enter the space station. The doors close. The space station floats off into space.
Terran commander: oh ****.

[brainfreez]

the wiki is always right , ALWAYS .

if wikipedia says water cannot stay on mars , then water cannot stay on mars .

[TopHat]

the wiki is always right , ALWAYS .

if wikipedia says water cannot stay on mars , then water cannot stay on mars .

How many people who post on Wikipedia have been to mars?
Your argument is invalid.

[10ebbor10]

also mars has 2 times longer summers and other times of year and i think 20°temperature points are enough to survive and those -50° temperature points are in winter .

10eebor10 , i took all that info from wiki so you don't fiddle with me and earth has like 100 pressure compared to the mars 0.6 . and wiki said water cannot stay on mars .

That's the temperature at day. At night it will quickly fall to minus 50. The average temperature is -50 degrees. At winter the temperatures will be much lower up to -100 at max.

We're planning to melt entire underground icecaps. Violentely. At first the water will evaporate, and later on we will start to get liquid water, when the athmospheric pressure increases. Water can definitively stay on Mars btw. A few of our surveyors have found definite proof of liquid water.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

1. We're planning to destroy Earth, not save it.
2. There are lot's of greenhouse gasses needed(Like, a lot.) We can't transport anything without creating more greenhouse gasses to move it.** Instead I propose we melt Mars ice layers, thereby hitting 3 birds with one stone:
            A: Liquid water
            B: Greenhouse gasses (That are captured in the ice)
            C: We get to blow up a large area of our own planet
3. A space elevator, by it's very idea needs to be constructed at the equator. Also, it can't be build in the timeframe of the mission*. (Also, don't want to give Earth an advantage) For going to space, I suggest using conventionall rockets, assisted by chemical drives to get out of LEO to Geo where they will be picked up by the orbiter.

*Cost way to much. To build it we would need to invest more than for the rest of the mission. Also the tech doesn't exist yet.
** Because we're talking about thousands of tonnes of greenhouse gasses, and probably even much more. (also, you can't just pluck greenhouse gasses out of the sky.)

actually if we settle on the mars equator , it is 30°temperature points there . and i am find with that .

It's never 30 degrees on the equator. In the hottest day on Mars, in the middle of Summer, it might be 20 degrees max at midday. The average temperature will always be -50 degrees or something. I hate it when people see max temperature 30 degrees and think that it's always that hot at the equator. That's an extreme, and temperatures on Mars are way more unstable then on Earth

1. In the long run. For now we save it, and make terrans happy. Happy terrans give money. Money good. Then we use money to TAKE OVER terra. Terrans unhappy. Many terrans die-die.
2. Terrans always produce greenhouse gasses. We can put filters on exhausts/ factories. The governments will probably pay us as well. Though the melting ice caps can help.
3. Terraforming is a long term project. Also, most tech does technically exist.
As for the Earth advantage:
The Terran troops enter the elevator. The elevator goes into space. The elevator opens doors. Space strikes the terrans in the oxygen and the severed part sails of in an arc! The Terran troops have aesphixiated. Or:
The Terran troops enter the elevator! The elevator goes to top of atmosphere! The elevator falls to the ground!
As for the station itself:
The terrans enter the space station. The doors close. The space station floats off into space.
Terran commander: oh ****.

Even then, transporting common greenhouse gasses is idiotic. It's way easier to just capture them on Earth and store them in the ground and get your own greengasses out of the ground on Mars than moving it.

Also, we're not going to have a space-elevator soon enough for our mission. It would be a larger investement than our entire mission. Also, don't think the terrans are going to be idiot to do a direct charge. It will be more like infiltration and thanks to the delay between Earth and Mars, they will control the entire station before we notice anything.

the wiki is always right , ALWAYS .

if wikipedia says water cannot stay on mars , then water cannot stay on mars .

The wiki is not always right.

Water can defenitively stay on Mars, especially when we increase the air pressure by vaporizing water and freeing the trapped greenhouse gasses.

[brainfreez]

the wiki is always right , ALWAYS .

if wikipedia says water cannot stay on mars , then water cannot stay on mars .

How many people who post on Wikipedia have been to mars?
Your argument is invalid.

your argument is even more invalid because nobody here is expert at anything related to space and i believe wiki has more than 0 experts .
or at least official data instead of huge fantasies .

 
AAAAAHH!!! to create pressure we will need extreme amounts of gasses and why would we fill the atmosphere with rubbish that we cannot breathe if we could try to release oxygen and i think to create enough pressure we will need many years .

[10ebbor10]

Rubbish we won't need? We will need to have greenhouse gasses, to get some decent pressure. We need to have water in the athmosphere, to get a raincycle going. We need to have the other gasses to, if only to create a bit of pressure. Most of the gasses will be Co2 or related,

Besides we don't need to get all the way to Earth pressure to get liquid water. (Also, a small kinetic impact object is good enough to vaporize an entire glacier.) As soon as we get a tiny bit more pressure, we can release cyanobacteria, which will start creating a soil and converting co2 into oxygen. After that we can try planting conifers, which can survive in low pressures and cold temperatures.

It will take a long time till we can safely go outside, but it's not impossible.

Estimated time till completion:1500 years. (We can already get started, and will reap benefits way before completion*)

Note: I'm actually following an adaption of a NASA plan for the colonization of Mars

*Instead of shipping greenhouse gasses from Earth, which will only net us an extra cost.

[brainfreez]

Damn i was so right ! i knew there is no fast way to do anything we have planned and it all will take extreme amount of time , resources and money .

ironically I crashed our mars colonization plans with logic .

[10ebbor10]

Damn i was so right ! i knew there is no fast way to do anything we have planned and it all will take extreme amount of time , resources and money .

ironically I crashed our mars colonization plans with logic .

Not nessecerially. We can easily survive on Mars without changing the temperature immediatly. We're dwarves. We dig into the ground, set up a contained environement, and provide power using nuclear generators.

I'm working out a decent plan right now.

[brainfreez]

it is easy to say , lets see how you will do all that in real life .

Damn , i am so sceptical right now .
my logic will crush your imagination !

[misko27]

it is easy to say , lets see how you will do all that in real life .

Damn , i am so sceptical right now .
my logic will crush your imagination !

YOU ARE A IMPOSTER! THIS THREAD IS COMPROMISED!

Acetech, appoint ebbor to the ways and means committee.