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[GlyphGryph]

Well, I don't won't you to bow out. But you leave a LOT of gaps for misunderstanding.

You haven't really tried to explain what you think, so it's reasonable for people to misunderstand at this point.

So at least explain before you leave, and we might.

[Duke 2.0]

 My spiritual beliefs sorta have a say on this, but I'm not really in a place to give a proper rundown of all of it.

 Basic gist: Masculine and Feminine define subsets of morals, like Loyalty, Serenity, Justice, Mercy, etc. Masculine morals emphasize self-perfection and maturity, Feminine morals emphasize healthy relations and thinking about the good of the whole. Relationships between masculine and feminine people grows our understanding of the other and brings us closer to understanding our concept of God, who is a being of both masculine and feminine aspects.

 (While men are meant to embody masculine traits and women are meant to embody feminine traits, due to how people are raised and the aspect of self-creation known as free will, some women could have a better understanding of masculine morals and some men could have better understandings of feminine morals. Ain't no problem with a guy showing Mercy or a lady showing Endurance.)

 How does this very small glimpse of some weird ideology work here? A bunch of men are growing an appreciation and understanding of feminine morals before engaging in a relationship with a feminine person, so when they do have such a relationship they are better able to receive it.

 So I guess technically watching MLP will get you the ladies fellas.
 (And whatever combination nonstandard sexualities/identities appreciate)

[Domenique]

Well, I don't won't you to bow out. But you leave a LOT of gaps for misunderstanding.

You haven't really tried to explain what you think, so it's reasonable for people to misunderstand at this point.

So at least explain before you leave, and we might.

It's really hard to express opinions for me because most of the time I can't really concentrate and get distracted writing a paragraph more than once, but to be specific, I see it as this: a man should be something a woman would desire. And that is different from one place to another, but, for example, most of the females I know would want a confident (not overly), emotionally secure guy, who has a sense of humour. I think that a male should strive to be what would make him desirable to females, and I don't think liking some ponies or whatever would really be a big turn-off to a woman if the man still meets her expectations. A little darwinistic point of view, but that's the way I see it.

[Askot Bokbondeler]

i kinda enjoy exagerated manliness in characters, particularly when it comes paired with something stereotipically very feminine. i love the works of tom of finland, for example, both for his art, and because i am fascinated by the entire culture of leather daddies and manly, mean hmosexuals, but i also have a soft spot for the gentle giants so common in many fictions, whose figure inspire fear but who prefer to engage in gardening or baking cookies, or any other benign, childish, or girly hobbies

in real life, i tend to get along well with people with slightly above average iq, that usually results in a lesser degree of manliness, and i take little interest in most stereotypical masculine interests like ball sports and cars, but i like beards and muscles, and i find violence very entertaining, although i opose it ethically

[Leafsnail]

I'm also slightly surprised this hasn't been locked yet as a subversive attempt to bring pony discussion back

Me too.

[kaijyuu]

Some of us are deliberately avoiding the topic and focusing on the nominal point of the thread

[Loud Whispers]

Aren't gender stereotypes just fun?
^{(and exploitable)}

[Zaerosz]

Personally I see gender stereotyping as a big joke that the world's taken too far and too seriously. Especially since I can basically choose not to let any of it apply to me whatsoever and not give a shit about the results. Which is most likely because I hate society as a whole, which is mostly due to stuff like discrimination via gender, and basically my life is rage-based circular reasoning.

[darkrider2]

I never really liked the masculine/feminine concepts. From my experience I see people trying to conform to one of them based on their sex, like its some kind of "this is how its/you're supposed to be". And then I see equal amounts of discrimination based on whether or not a person is masculine or feminine enough. Its a bit sickening to be honest.

Luckily I've defected to some sort of neutral territory called "nerd" where masculinity doesn't matter anymore and femininity is all but non-existent.

[GlyphGryph]

I see it as this: a man should be something a woman would desire. And that is different from one place to another, but, for example, most of the females I know would want a confident (not overly), emotionally secure guy, who has a sense of humour. I think that a male should strive to be what would make him desirable to females, and I don't think liking some ponies or whatever would really be a big turn-off to a woman if the man still meets her expectations. A little darwinistic point of view, but that's the way I see it.

So a man is masculine if he's acting in such a way to as attract the attention and desire of a woman he desires, right?
I assume feminine is the same - whatever actions would attract the attention and desire of a man they desire?

[King DZA]

Me and some friends were talking about subject of masculinity not too long ago. More specifically, what it means to be a man.

Intentionally avoiding the obvious answer(having a floppy sexual apparatus between your legs), my response was, "Being able to define yourself." By this definition, I honestly wish the whole world could be more manly.

[kaijyuu]

Not even the floppy apparatus defines us as men, though. Just ask any transsexual (either man->woman or woman->man).

[penguinofhonor]

Intentionally avoiding the obvious answer(having a floppy sexual apparatus between your legs), my response was, "Being able to define yourself." By this definition, I honestly wish the whole world could be more manly.

I feel like that's a definition of being mature. So I guess it would be manly as opposed to boyish, but I don't feel it would be manly as opposed to womanly.

[Heliman]

I remember this topic. I had to write a paper on it in my freshman year.

To those interested, this is an interesting article on the subject. Also contains one hell of a creepy author.

[MaximumZero]

I have associative agnosia. Unless I'm actively looking to sleep with someone, I don't know what gender they are, and don't really care!

Awaaaay!