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[Toaster]

Hapah:  At this point, half the cards are on the table.  I got blocked trying to convert Dariush and I know he didn't convert me.  Since I find it extremely unlikely we both started rebel or imperial, that means we each know the other is opposite human alignment.  Given that we know each other and UI has claimed, that just leaves you, ZU, and Think.  Claim up.

[Dariush]

Actually, Toaster, please claim either your alignment or your N1 target.

PPE:

Dar, it's half those odds, because the Cybrid could take a shot in the dark and has a 50/50 to get it right. And even then, it's only those 20% odds if both people that you targeted are still alive (which I think they are, based on your post, but I can't be certain).

Yes, both people I converted are alive right now. Now, we have 1/5 chance to perfectly identify the remaining scum, and even if he gets my alignment right, he can still slip on his story later.

And the reason I don't like it is that it gives you the ability to drop the hammer on anyone. You could say that any person gave the "wrong" answer, and then they've got a hell of a lot of suspicion to get out from under.

Well, you're right. So? If I lie and we lynch town, you'll still be able to lynch me tomorrow. It's win-win for town, lose-lose for cybrids and win-lose for me.

Even if you just gave who you targeted without telling your alignment, I'd be happy: You still get to catch the same people in your trap, and I can dial back my paranoia a notch.

Wrong. This way the trap will fail if neither of my conversion attempts caught a cybrid.

PPE2:

Hapah:  At this point, half the cards are on the table.  I got blocked trying to convert Dariush and I know he didn't convert me.  Since I find it extremely unlikely we both started rebel or imperial, that means we each know the other is opposite human alignment.  Given that we know each other and UI has claimed, that just leaves you, ZU, and Think.  Claim up.

Okay, fuck everything. Toaster. I did try to convert you N1. If you were indeed the opposite alignment, you would be the same as me now. I am an Imperial Officer, so I know for a fact you aren't one (i.e. opposite alignment from me and unconvertable). The only way my conversion could fail would be for you to be either Imperial or Cybrid. Since I completely agree that it's pretty much impossible for us both to be Imperials, that makes you Cybrid.

[Toaster]

Well, I have no reported attempt to convert me then, so I can only assume either something screwed with your attempt or you are lying.  I'll hold back on that judgement until everyone else claims.

Dariush is right on one thing, though- I'm a Rebel Persuader.  I targeted UI N1, but it looks like he was already a rebel if he is a Saboteur.

[Dariush]

Nope, I got the exact same flavor as on N2, reporting successful attempt.

It is worth of note how both of your claims report failure, and you claimed converting UI only after his claim. And also how there was no kill on the night you were guaranteed to be blocked.

[Dariush]

Also, just to confirm I'm telling the truth: I attempted to convert Think N2. By now he's a guaranteed Imperial. Think, confirm this.

[Toaster]

Also, just to confirm I'm telling the truth: I attempted to convert Think N2. By now he's a guaranteed Imperial. Think, confirm this.

...Unless he's a Cybrid, of course.

[Hapah]

What an interesting turn of events!

And see, Dar, this is exactly the sort of thing I was concerned about. Toaster says that you didn't convert him, and BAM, you try to tie him up with a bow. But I see the trap now.

First, your "everyone claim so I can call you a liar" post. You leave yourself the option to say that anyone answered the wrong way. Anyone. Toaster just went above and beyond the requirements and made himself look absolutely terrible.

Second, in the same post, you misinterpret the setup. It's not three scum in a game of eleven, it's two scum and a glorified SK. You sidestep the possibility that there actually ARE two real Cybrids, because:

Third, Think is a Cybrid with you. You line up the person that answered your question "wrong", then get your "Imperial" friend to confirm.

Beautiful, Dar. Simply beautiful. By the time your target flips town, a NK evens up the score at 2-2. Your statement in this post makes it seem like we can just lynch you if you lie, but that's patently false: It will be 2-2, and the town will be at your mercy. It all makes sense to me now.

[Toaster]

Hapah:  How sure are you of that case?

[Hapah]

Toaster: Makes sense to me. What sort of question is that?

[Dariush]

Three Two scum plus an SK plus a survivor (since you don't mention ZU) in a game of eleven? Pull the other one, it's got bells on.

Also, it's awesome how you completely disregard the fact that both of Toaster's inspects were 'failed', the circumstances of his claims and how there wasn't a kill on the very night he got blocked. So yeah, turn your self-righteous zeal down a notch.

[Hapah]

I've got no reason to believe that Toaster wasn't blocked N2, as I believe I was blocked N1 (I wouldn't know anyway, I don't have a night action). Don't know why Urist would lie about one and not the other.

I don't see a 7-2-1-1 setup being absurd, especially considering that one of the neutrals is basically both flavors of town. I believe it's really an 8-2-1, which seems rather typical. It could have been a 9-1-1 with some conversions, I suppose.

And I've learned my lesson on trying to speculate why there was no kill last night.

And self-righteous zeal? Hardly. I'm just excited!

[zombie urist]

Mod: Can you clarify the order of actions? That is do Invites happen first and kills last or the other way around?

[Hapah]

ZU: From the opening post

Additional Rules:
Action type order:
Invites -> Blocks -> Protects -> Investigates -> Converts -> Kills

[Dariush]

And I've learned my lesson on trying to speculate why there was no kill last night.

ARE YOU A FUCKING IDIOT? Don't answer that, I know you are.

Six people alive. One was blocked. There was no kill that night. There was a kill the previous night. Do the math.

For fuck's sake, I got lynched in Supernatural 4 (IIRC) with exactly this reasoning and even less information to go by (it was the first night)!

[zombie urist]

ZU: From the opening post

Additional Rules:
Action type order:
Invites -> Blocks -> Protects -> Investigates -> Converts -> Kills

I saw that and I'm asking about it.