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[Eric Blank]

Oh i see. Thats really quite ingenious use of the entity positions code!

My only concern is that this mandates a minimum population in these sites. For instance isnt the non-historical population generated at a site supposed to be directly tied to the number of historical figures there? But by culling these noble positions they might not actually get filled or the persons filling them wont be tracked and wont have marriages and families that contribute to the population like you wanted. So like, you could end up with a hillock/hamlet having a minimum population of ~200 (including all your nobles and non-historical figures) immediately after founding, right?

[Hugo_The_Dwarf]

So this would be what would be needed as a basis

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[ENTITY:MOUNTAIN]
[SITE_CONTROLLABLE]
[ALL_MAIN_POPS_CONTROLLABLE]
[CREATURE:DWARF]
[CREATURE:ELF]
[CREATURE:HUMAN]
then of course the "positions" that would make up of the Groups,

However I haven't been able to test this correctly. Last time I tried this was "brood mothers" that would give birth to a lot of kids, however worldgen seems to slap on the "1 kid at a time" deal (haven't really dug in to see if there was twins or triplets but either way it forces a 1 birth only) so finding that out I moved on to other things to test/work on but Multi-cultural civs were on my to do list but not very high.

So Eric you might be right, but I can't prove it as true or false. At this junction

[Eric Blank]

I think I see what you're talking about now, I think I'll give it a shot and see what happens.

[edit]
okay, so here's what I did...

the entity has these:

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[CREATURE:HUMAN]
[CREATURE:DWARF]
[CREATURE:ELF]
[CREATURE:GOBLIN]
...

[POSITION:DWARF_MAGICIAN]
[ALLOWED_CREATURE:DWARF:MALE]
[ALLOWED_CREATURE:DWARF:FEMALE]
[NAME:geomancer:geomancers]
[NUMBER:15]
[APPOINTED_BY:TOWER_WIZARD]
[SITE]
[PRECEDENCE:1000]
[BRAG_ON_KILL]
[CHAT_WORTHY]
[DO_NOT_CULL]
[KILL_QUEST]
[EXPORTED_IN_LEGENDS]
[POSITION:HUMAN_MAGICIAN]
[ALLOWED_CREATURE:HUMAN:MALE]
[ALLOWED_CREATURE:HUMAN:FEMALE]
[NAME:magician:magicians]
[NUMBER:15]
[APPOINTED_BY:TOWER_WIZARD]
[SITE]
[PRECEDENCE:1000]
[BRAG_ON_KILL]
[CHAT_WORTHY]
[DO_NOT_CULL]
[KILL_QUEST]
[EXPORTED_IN_LEGENDS]
[POSITION:ELF_MAGICIAN]
[ALLOWED_CREATURE:ELF:MALE]
[ALLOWED_CREATURE:ELF:FEMALE]
[NAME:druid:druids]
[NUMBER:15]
[APPOINTED_BY:TOWER_WIZARD]
[SITE]
[PRECEDENCE:1000]
[BRAG_ON_KILL]
[CHAT_WORTHY]
[DO_NOT_CULL]
[KILL_QUEST]
[EXPORTED_IN_LEGENDS]
[POSITION:GOBLIN_MAGICIAN]
[ALLOWED_CREATURE:GOBLIN:MALE]
[ALLOWED_CREATURE:GOBLIN:FEMALE]
[NAME:warlock:warlocks]
[NUMBER:15]
[APPOINTED_BY:TOWER_WIZARD]
[SITE]
[PRECEDENCE:1000]
[BRAG_ON_KILL]
[CHAT_WORTHY]
[DO_NOT_CULL]
[KILL_QUEST]
[EXPORTED_IN_LEGENDS]


But when I generate a world for ~100 years it still gives me sites like this:

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77: Aglalucrudasiothlediodede, "Phantomchaste", fortress
   Owner: The Hale Coven, humans
   Parent Civ: The Wind of Marking, humans
   warlock: Cemmasade Tempestarrows, human
   warlock: Gecalis Raysspread, human
   warlock: Siocala Dabblershimmers, human
   warlock: Ecadole Chastewealth, human
   warlock: Sionsaselo Priesttubes, human
   warlock: Caiglo Heavensugar, human
   warlock: Sabracethle Churchhide, human
   warlock: Gaistiosapho Raysfleshes, human
   warlock: Cestaicalapho Crystalmartyred, human
   warlock: Mabralalapho Dawntreated, human
   warlock: Siocece Mythparch, human
   warlock: Ansiculun Trimshimmered, human
   warlock: Macesicesass Martyredscolds, human
   warlock: Acililepho Futuredress, human
   warlock: Sabracethle Treattemple, human
   druid: Siocicrabripha Martyrpractices, human
   druid: Gaistiosapho Daubgenius, human
   druid: Sammailacre Cometgorged, human
   druid: Sionsaselo Geniuspear, human
   druid: Sabracethle Tourconjures, human
   druid: Rilasiommo Granitecoven, human
   druid: Esupho Godlyrevere, human
   druid: Ecadole Divineumbra, human
   druid: Cicasaglo Hayfaiths, human
   druid: Gise Stafftummy, human
   druid: Lubrabras Pastcudgel, human
   druid: Sapho Knightconjured, human
   druid: Sacesa Junglemyths, human
   druid: Macesicesass Geniusurged, human
   druid: Gise Riteplans, human
   magician: Coni Combinedmurdered, human
   magician: Milo Tiredlistens, human
   magician: Kem Yellclimates, human
   magician: Mato Slitherdoomed, human
   magician: Gozru Hellslaughter, human
   magician: Glicila Mythbunches, human
   magician: Lalapho Wiltedshrines, human
   magician: Thil Watchfulpoints, human
   magician: Olng” Hatredslaughters, human
   magician: Sammailacre Shrineneutral, human
   magician: Tista Coalyell, human
   magician: Ago Azureended, human
   magician: Tirin Delldances, human
   magician: Sizet Tongssculpture, human
   magician: Acililepho Martyrcrewed, human
   geomancer: Salabre Pickray, human
   geomancer: Samnapho Beardchant, human
   geomancer: Sabrisaca Windypigs, human
   geomancer: Sammailacre Mobaura, human
   geomancer: Sabracethle Charmcalls, human
   geomancer: Siocelon Monkswelter, human
   geomancer: Sabrabraifuceg Handledmartyrs, human
   geomancer: Mabralalapho Fangseers, human
   geomancer: Mabralalapho Virgincloister, human
   geomancer: Ecadole Martyredtemples, human
   geomancer: Samnapho Chantemerald, human
   geomancer: Cicasaglo Trimheavens, human
   geomancer: Caiglo Ironcharms, human
   geomancer: Samnapho Dreamedfuture, human
   geomancer: Ebrapho Charmdonkeys, human
   328 humans
   44 dogs...


78: Acrisessapho, "Healedmyth", fortress
   Owner: The Healing of Covens, goblins
   Parent Civ: The Simple Visions, goblins
   warlock: Cacemme Cloisterplane, goblin
   warlock: Siocelon Mosscloisters, goblin
   warlock: Siocala Futurewilts, goblin
   warlock: Sammailacre Ivoryspells, goblin
   warlock: Gimmilapho Ringfull, goblin
   warlock: Cicasaglo Heavenelder, goblin
   warlock: Macesicesass Shinglecomets, goblin
   warlock: Remmapho Skirtdragon, goblin
   warlock: Gecalis Goddistinct, goblin
   warlock: Caiglo Sealempire, goblin
   warlock: Sammailacre Showchants, goblin
   warlock: Aseciebras Mythyouth, goblin
   warlock: Ebrapho Evergale, goblin
   warlock: Sabrades Ectomosses, goblin
   warlock: Siocelon Glimmerorgans, goblin
   druid: Siocaselamma Ectoseizure, goblin
   druid: Githlacipho Soaredwindy, goblin
   druid: Siosuss Ticksaint, goblin
   druid: Sammailacre Webchants, goblin
   druid: Sioglan Magicapes, goblin
   druid: Racucadain Talonseers, goblin
   druid: Aphiofaicreglo Hushsaints, goblin
   druid: Caiglo Cloisterpolish, goblin
   druid: Susecins Craftconjured, goblin
   druid: Siothlediodede Coventongues, goblin
   druid: Sabrabraifuceg Heavensclasps, goblin
   druid: Siothlediodede Immortalitycharmed, goblin
   druid: Cacemme Searchcloisters, goblin
   druid: Esupho Insightsdawn, goblin
   druid: Ebrapho Seafate, goblin
   magician: Shasttol Vigorspread, human
   magician: Siocelon Typhoonsocket, goblin
   magician: Githlacipho Playrites, goblin
   magician: Ecen Snakekisses, human
   magician: Cemmasade Glimmeredfamous, goblin
   magician: Sioglan Glimmerdesk, goblin
   magician: Gabat Youthspiraled, human
   magician: Siocecicicradan Submergedchants, goblin
   magician: Alacrasilapho Dawntrotted, goblin
   magician: Sapho Martyrblizzards, goblin
   magician: Racucadain Fatehealing, goblin
   magician: Gise Plaincharms, goblin
   magician: Calesa Mythtests, goblin
   magician: Tode Gorgedsprinkled, human
   magician: Aphiofaicreglo Faithtraded, goblin
   geomancer: Githlacipho Legendbitten, goblin
   geomancer: Ephalibran Roughnesscloister, goblin
   geomancer: Sabracethle Enjoychants, goblin
   geomancer: Aseciebras Pastjoke, goblin
   geomancer: Sacesa Nobleangel, goblin
   geomancer: Cemmofaco Lobsterabbeys, goblin
   geomancer: Caiglo Musclerite, goblin
   geomancer: Sabrisaca Heavenone, goblin
   geomancer: Sensilabrain Charmcalled, goblin
   geomancer: Glicila Stasisshimmered, goblin
   geomancer: Siocelon Cloisterpants, goblin
   geomancer: Gecalis Goodtyphoon, goblin
   geomancer: Sioceliglaglas Problemfated, goblin
   geomancer: Racrins Futurechucked, goblin
   geomancer: Sabrolimmainpho Ectoshelter, goblin
   251 goblins
   4 humans
   29 dogs...

So its still only generating one race occupying the site/civ at first. foreigners do end up in the appropriate positions if there are any. I generated a couple of these worlds, one of them had 14/15 dwarven positions filled in a goblin civ, but still no other non-historical dwarf population. total of 14 dwarves, all historical, all geomancers.
So it doesnt appear to be generating a "multicultural" civ from the get-go like I'd hoped. Did I miss something, or are there other ideas?

I guess I could try making any other races forbidden on top of only allowing certain ones for the entity positions, but I suspect they'd just be left empty since there wouldnt be those desired populations anyway.

If worldgen goes on longer and has more wars all the positions will eventually be filled in by refugees/prisoners of war, I reckon, but I'd expect like at least a few non-historical pops in addition, and that doesnt seem to happen. Then again this is an isolationist, non-aggressive civ I'm working with, so they're rarely getting involved in wars. If I stuck this in a few entities that are regularly at war with one another I bet it would fill in a lot quicker, but then there'd be no point in having these entity positions, because they'd have large conquered/conquering populations regardless just by virtue of going to war frequently.

[Hugo_The_Dwarf]

Hmm I wonder if using the ANIMAL tag to make the races used as SIEGE animals (not pets, but just for sieges) would that be enough to "force" them into all populations as some sort of common_domestic warbeast

[ZM5]

They just get stuck in "pet limbo" if you add them via pet tokens, even if the only token is to use them as war animals - worldgen-wise they're treated as animal populations of that civ and don't get notable individuals appearing within their civ. It'd honestly require Toady to make another token for it, i.e ALLIED_RACE:X to have it work properly without a bunch of workarounds.

There's some weird "switch" if you go to that civ's sites in adventure mode, though. At first those intelligent creatures will be spawned where the livestock usually spawns, but I've noticed that, if you come back to that site eventually, the "switch" occurs when the game realizes "oh wait, these aren't actually pets, they're intelligent creatures who should be citizens" and they get teleported to the houses where the game normally spawns the actual citizens - got lucky a few times as well when the game would also spawn soldiers of those races that were ready to be recruited at a mead hall.

[darkflagrance]

How do I get rid of everything's teeth? I'm sick of seeing that stuff splattered all over my fortress's lawn.

[Hugo_The_Dwarf]

change the bodyplan for teeth to just be one body part or remove SOCKETED <- this is what on break makes it explode out

Or can make each tooth their own (aka don't use NUMBER)

[darkflagrance]

change the bodyplan for teeth to just be one body part or remove SOCKETED <- this is what on break makes it explode out

Or can make each tooth their own (aka don't use NUMBER)

Removing socketed is a great way to implement this fix. I will try this out and see how it goes.

[murphieschecker]

I have earlier mentioned my issue of a custom entity not appearing, despite the race running fine in arena and another custom entity working fine, and am quite eager to receive some suggestions about what the problem might be. I asked what is required for an entity to work and what prevents it so that there could be a page to tell any modding novices so they can be confident about their early mods. Please can someone help with this

[Putnam]

Usually what you're going to be doing is copying another entity anyway. I'm a modding expert and couldn't off the top of my head tell you what is required.

[TomiTapio]

How do I get rid of everything's teeth? I'm sick of seeing that stuff splattered all over my fortress's lawn.

Yesterday I gave my current raws' tooth material
[EDIBLE_VERMIN] --let teeth decay from piles. Rats steal them.
so teeth will vanish.

[Hugo_The_Dwarf]

How do I get rid of everything's teeth? I'm sick of seeing that stuff splattered all over my fortress's lawn.

Yesterday I gave my current raws' tooth material
[EDIBLE_VERMIN] --let teeth decay from piles. Rats steal them.
so teeth will vanish.

Ah the infamous tooth decay

[Dunamisdeos]

How do I get rid of everything's teeth? I'm sick of seeing that stuff splattered all over my fortress's lawn.

Yesterday I gave my current raws' tooth material
[EDIBLE_VERMIN] --let teeth decay from piles. Rats steal them.
so teeth will vanish.

That's goddamn terrifying.

[Sver]

How do I get rid of everything's teeth? I'm sick of seeing that stuff splattered all over my fortress's lawn.

Yesterday I gave my current raws' tooth material
[EDIBLE_VERMIN] --let teeth decay from piles. Rats steal them.
so teeth will vanish.

That is actually a great idea. Mind if I borrow it?

[Dunamisdeos]

I have earlier mentioned my issue of a custom entity not appearing, despite the race running fine in arena and another custom entity working fine, and am quite eager to receive some suggestions about what the problem might be. I asked what is required for an entity to work and what prevents it so that there could be a page to tell any modding novices so they can be confident about their early mods. Please can someone help with this

Post dem raws.

If it was me I would exhaustively compare the one that works to the one that does not. Also keep in mind if you have a lot of unique entities you might have to raise the civ cap in worldgen to get them all to generate.