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[Just Some Guy]

So I'm trying to mod in a race of Romanesque fish men, but no matter what I do, they won't show up in game. I've made sure I've got the little creature_whatever, I've changed their token from FISHMAN to EISNAN ("righteous" in their language- they're not the most humble of fellows), i've even moved it to creature_standard. They still don't show up. I'm at a complete loss. Here are the raws

Custom creature variation (same file as default CVs)

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

[CREATURE_VARIATION:ANIMAL_PERSON_CIV]
   [CV_REMOVE_TAG:NAME]
   [CV_REMOVE_TAG:GENERAL_CHILD_NAME]
   [CV_REMOVE_TAG:GENERAL_BABY_NAME]
   [CV_REMOVE_TAG:CASTE_NAME]
   [CV_REMOVE_TAG:CHILDNAME]
   [CV_REMOVE_TAG:AQUATIC]
   [CV_REMOVE_TAG:BABYNAME]
   [CV_REMOVE_TAG:SMALL_REMAINS]
   [CV_REMOVE_TAG:DESCRIPTION]
   [CV_REMOVE_TAG:CREATURE_TILE]
   [CV_REMOVE_TAG:COLOR]
   [CV_REMOVE_TAG:MAXAGE]
   [CV_REMOVE_TAG:SOUND]
   [CV_REMOVE_TAG:PET]
   [CV_REMOVE_TAG:PETVALUE]
   [CV_REMOVE_TAG:PENETRATEPOWER]
   [CV_REMOVE_TAG:VERMIN_EATER]
   [CV_REMOVE_TAG:VERMIN_HATEABLE]
   [CV_REMOVE_TAG:VERMIN_GROUNDER]
   [CV_REMOVE_TAG:VERMIN_FISH]
   [CV_REMOVE_TAG:VERMIN_SOIL]
   [CV_REMOVE_TAG:VERMIN_SOIL_COLONY]
   [CV_REMOVE_TAG:VERMIN_ROTTER]
   [CV_REMOVE_TAG:VERMIN_NOTRAP]
   [CV_REMOVE_TAG:FISHITEM]
   [CV_REMOVE_TAG:IMMOBILE_LAND]
   [CV_REMOVE_TAG:TRIGGERABLE_GROUP]
   [CV_REMOVE_TAG:MOUNT]
   [CV_REMOVE_TAG:PET_EXOTIC]
   [CV_REMOVE_TAG:MOUNT_EXOTIC]
   [CV_REMOVE_TAG:NOT_BUTCHERABLE]
   [CV_REMOVE_TAG:SPEED]
   [CV_REMOVE_TAG:SWIM_SPEED]
   [CV_REMOVE_TAG:MUNDANE]
   [CV_REMOVE_TAG:POPULATION_NUMBER]
   [CV_REMOVE_TAG:CLUSTER_NUMBER]
   [CV_REMOVE_TAG:ATTACK]
   [CV_REMOVE_TAG:ATTACK_SKILL]
   [CV_REMOVE_TAG:ATTACK_VERB]
   [CV_REMOVE_TAG:ATTACK_CONTACT_PERC]
   [CV_REMOVE_TAG:ATTACK_PRIORITY]
   [CV_REMOVE_TAG:ATTACK_FLAG_WITH]
   [CV_REMOVE_TAG:ATTACK_PENETRATION_PERC]
   [CV_REMOVE_TAG:ATTACK_PREPARE_AND_RECOVER]
   [CV_REMOVE_TAG:ATTACK_FLAG_EDGE]
   [CV_REMOVE_TAG:ATTACK_FLAG_CANLATCH]
   [CV_REMOVE_TAG:SPECIALATTACK_INJECT_EXTRACT]
   [CV_REMOVE_TAG:SPECIALATTACK_SUCK_BLOOD]
   [CV_REMOVE_TAG:ATTACK_VELOCITY_MODIFIER]
   [CV_REMOVE_TAG:GAIT]
   [CV_REMOVE_TAG:UBIQUITOUS]
   [CV_CONVERT_TAG]
      [CVCT_MASTER:BODY]
      [CVCT_TARGET:QUADRUPED]
      [CVCT_REPLACEMENT:HUMANOID]
   [CV_CONVERT_TAG]
      [CVCT_MASTER:BODY]
      [CVCT_TARGET:QUADRUPED_FRONT_GRASP]
      [CVCT_REPLACEMENT:HUMANOID]
   [CV_CONVERT_TAG]
      [CVCT_MASTER:BODY]
      [CVCT_TARGET:QUADRUPED_NECK]
      [CVCT_REPLACEMENT:HUMANOID_NECK:3FINGERS]
   [CV_CONVERT_TAG]
      [CVCT_MASTER:BODY]
      [CVCT_TARGET:QUADRUPED_NECK_FRONT_GRASP]
      [CVCT_REPLACEMENT:HUMANOID_NECK]
   [CV_CONVERT_TAG]
      [CVCT_MASTER:BODY]
      [CVCT_TARGET:QUADRUPED_HOOF]
      [CVCT_REPLACEMENT:HUMANOID_HOOF:3FINGERS]
   [CV_CONVERT_TAG]
      [CVCT_MASTER:BODY]
      [CVCT_TARGET:QUADRUPED_NECK_HOOF]
      [CVCT_REPLACEMENT:HUMANOID_NECK_HOOF:3FINGERS]
   [CV_CONVERT_TAG]
      [CVCT_MASTER:BODY]
      [CVCT_TARGET:HUMANOID_ARMLESS]
      [CVCT_REPLACEMENT:HUMANOID:4FINGERS]
   [CV_CONVERT_TAG]
      [CVCT_MASTER:BODY]
      [CVCT_TARGET:HUMANOID_ARMLESS_NECK]
      [CVCT_REPLACEMENT:HUMANOID_NECK:4FINGERS]
   [CV_CONVERT_TAG]
      [CVCT_MASTER:BODY]
      [CVCT_TARGET:BODY_WITH_HEAD_FLAG]
      [CVCT_REPLACEMENT:HUMANOID:3FINGERS]
   [CV_CONVERT_TAG]
      [CVCT_MASTER:BODY]
      [CVCT_TARGET:BASIC_1PARTBODY:BASIC_HEAD]
      [CVCT_REPLACEMENT:HUMANOID:3FINGERS]
   [CV_CONVERT_TAG]
      [CVCT_MASTER:BODY]
      [CVCT_TARGET:BASIC_2PARTBODY:BASIC_HEAD]
      [CVCT_REPLACEMENT:HUMANOID:3FINGERS]
   [CV_CONVERT_TAG]
      [CVCT_MASTER:BODY]
      [CVCT_TARGET:BASIC_1PARTBODY:BASIC_HEAD_NECK]
      [CVCT_REPLACEMENT:HUMANOID_NECK:3FINGERS]
   [CV_CONVERT_TAG]
      [CVCT_MASTER:BODY]
      [CVCT_TARGET:BASIC_2PARTBODY:BASIC_HEAD_NECK]
      [CVCT_REPLACEMENT:HUMANOID_NECK:3FINGERS]
   [CV_CONVERT_TAG]
      [CVCT_MASTER:BODY]
      [CVCT_TARGET:INSECT]
      [CVCT_REPLACEMENT:HUMANOID_4ARMS:3FINGERS]
   [CV_CONVERT_TAG]
      [CVCT_MASTER:BODY]
      [CVCT_TARGET:INSECT_4LEGS_2ARMS]
      [CVCT_REPLACEMENT:HUMANOID:3FINGERS]
   [CV_CONVERT_TAG]
      [CVCT_MASTER:BODY]
      [CVCT_TARGET:SPIDER]
      [CVCT_REPLACEMENT:HUMANOID_6ARMS:3FINGERS]
   [CV_CONVERT_TAG]
      [CVCT_MASTER:BODY]
      [CVCT_TARGET:5TOES_FQ_FINGERS]
      [CVCT_REPLACEMENT:5FINGERS]
   [CV_CONVERT_TAG]
      [CVCT_MASTER:BODY]
      [CVCT_TARGET:4TOES_FQ_FINGERS]
      [CVCT_REPLACEMENT:4FINGERS]
   [CV_CONVERT_TAG]
      [CVCT_MASTER:BODY]
      [CVCT_TARGET:3TOES_FQ_FINGERS]
      [CVCT_REPLACEMENT:3FINGERS]
   [CV_CONVERT_TAG]
      [CVCT_MASTER:BODY]
      [CVCT_TARGET:5TOES_FQ_REG]
      [CVCT_REPLACEMENT:5FINGERS]
   [CV_CONVERT_TAG]
      [CVCT_MASTER:BODY]
      [CVCT_TARGET:4TOES_FQ_REG]
      [CVCT_REPLACEMENT:4FINGERS]
   [CV_CONVERT_TAG]
      [CVCT_MASTER:BODY]
      [CVCT_TARGET:3TOES_FQ_REG]
      [CVCT_REPLACEMENT:3FINGERS]
   [CV_CONVERT_TAG]
      [CVCT_MASTER:BODY]
      [CVCT_TARGET:5TOES_RQ_ANON]
      [CVCT_REPLACEMENT:5TOES]
   [CV_CONVERT_TAG]
      [CVCT_MASTER:BODY]
      [CVCT_TARGET:4TOES_RQ_ANON]
      [CVCT_REPLACEMENT:4TOES]
   [CV_CONVERT_TAG]
      [CVCT_MASTER:BODY]
      [CVCT_TARGET:3TOES_RQ_ANON]
      [CVCT_REPLACEMENT:3TOES]
   [CV_CONVERT_TAG]
      [CVCT_MASTER:BODY]
      [CVCT_TARGET:5TOES_RQ_REG]
      [CVCT_REPLACEMENT:5TOES]
   [CV_CONVERT_TAG]
      [CVCT_MASTER:BODY]
      [CVCT_TARGET:4TOES_RQ_REG]
      [CVCT_REPLACEMENT:4TOES]
   [CV_CONVERT_TAG]
      [CVCT_MASTER:BODY]
      [CVCT_TARGET:3TOES_RQ_REG]
      [CVCT_REPLACEMENT:3TOES
   [CV_NEW_TAG:SELECT_CASTE:ALL]
      [CV_NEW_TAG:GRAVITATE_BODY_SIZE:70000]
      [CV_NEW_TAG:CHANGE_FREQUENCY_PERC:10]
   [CV_NEW_TAG:INTELLIGENT]
   [CV_NEW_TAG:EQUIPS]
   [CV_NEW_TAG:CANOPENDOORS]
   [CV_NEW_TAG:LOCAL_POPS_CONTROLLABLE]
   [CV_NEW_TAG:LOCAL_POPS_PRODUCE_HEROES]

The buggers themselves

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

[CREATURE:FISHMAN]
   [COPY_TAGS_FROM:FISH_BARRACUDA_GREAT]
   [APPLY_CREATURE_VARIATION:ANIMAL_PERSON_CIV]
   [GO_TO_END]
   [AMPHIBIOUS]
   [SELECT_CASTE:FEMALE]
      [CASTE_PROFESSION_NAME:CRAFTSMAN:craftswoman:craftswomen]
      [CASTE_PROFESSION_NAME:FISHERMAN:fisherwoman:fisherwomen]
      [CASTE_PROFESSION_NAME:HAMMERMAN:hammerwomann:hammerwomen]
      [CASTE_PROFESSION_NAME:SPEARMAN:spearwoman:spearwomen]
      [CASTE_PROFESSION_NAME:CROSSBOWMAN:markswoman:markswomen]
      [CASTE_PROFESSION_NAME:AXEMAN:axewoman:axewomen]
      [CASTE_PROFESSION_NAME:SWORDSMAN:swordswoman:swordswomen]
      [CASTE_PROFESSION_NAME:MACEMAN:macewoman:macewomen]
      [CASTE_PROFESSION_NAME:PIKEMAN:pikewoman:pikewomen]
      [CASTE_PROFESSION_NAME:BOWMAN:bowwomen:bowwomen]
      [CASTE_PROFESSION_NAME:MASTER_CROSSBOWMAN:Elite Markswoman:Elite Markswomen]
      [CASTE_PROFESSION_NAME:MASTER_BOWMAN:Elite Bowwoman:Elite Bowwomen]
   [SELECT_CASTE:ALL]
   [APPLY_CREATURE_VARIATION:PUNCH_ATTACK]
   [APPLY_CREATURE_VARIATION:KICK_ATTACK]
   [APPLY_CREATURE_VARIATION:BITE_ATTACK]
   [GO_TO_START]
   [NAME:eisnan:eisnani:eisnan]
   [DESCRIPTION:A bipedal creature resembling a barracuda. They are known for their pretentiousness.]
   [PREFSTRING:infrastructure]
   [PREFSTRING:aesthetics]
   [CREATURE_TILE:130][COLOR:3:0:0]
   [CREATURE_SOLDIER_TILE:136]
   [MAXAGE:70:100]

[Shonai_Dweller]

Don't forget [OBJECT:CREATURE] at the top of your creature file. Also copy_tags_from requires files be in alphabetical order. I forget how that works exactly. Source file needs to be before the file which calls it? Something like that.

[Eric Blank]

Thats exactly right: the game reads the files in alphabetical order from beginning to end of the file, and variations on a creature must be made at some point after the creature is defined. When i did that i used a file that started with creature_xwhatever so that it would be read last.

[Shonai_Dweller]

Thats exactly right: the game reads the files in alphabetical order from beginning to end of the file, and variations on a creature must be made at some point after the creature is defined. When i did that i used a file that started with creature_xwhatever so that it would be read last.

Yeah, looking at my files that's exactly what I've done too.

[Brutaka001]

Since dwarves have the token [ALCOHOL_DEPENDANT], isthere a way to add a similar token? For example, I want to make my civ dependant on brains. Though would be able to eat other meats but Brains would be a staple like dwarves with alcohol. Would I have to make a new item that comes from corpses like a Fresh_Brain or something?

[Putnam]

It is not possible to add new tokens.

[TomiTapio]

Since dwarves have the token [ALCOHOL_DEPENDANT], is there a way to add a similar token? For example, I want to make my civ dependant on brains. Though would be able to eat other meats but Brains would be a staple like dwarves with alcohol. Would I have to make a new item that comes from corpses like a Fresh_Brain or something?

How about a workshop reaction: brain-meat into a super rare plant's alcohol, "pickled brains" or "fresh brains". Then they enjoy that alcohol. And their civ doesn't have a still for other alcohol making.

[ZM5]

Since dwarves have the token [ALCOHOL_DEPENDANT], is there a way to add a similar token? For example, I want to make my civ dependant on brains. Though would be able to eat other meats but Brains would be a staple like dwarves with alcohol. Would I have to make a new item that comes from corpses like a Fresh_Brain or something?

How about a workshop reaction: brain-meat into a super rare plant's alcohol, "pickled brains" or "fresh brains". Then they enjoy that alcohol. And their civ doesn't have a still for other alcohol making.

Think you'd have to add a reaction class to the brain material as well, since IIRC brain material doesn't have a unique identifier (butchered brains use the MEAT item type).

Question: how much starting population would I want to give a race to have their very first site be a town and not a hamlet?

[Brutaka001]

Since dwarves have the token [ALCOHOL_DEPENDANT], is there a way to add a similar token? For example, I want to make my civ dependant on brains. Though would be able to eat other meats but Brains would be a staple like dwarves with alcohol. Would I have to make a new item that comes from corpses like a Fresh_Brain or something?

How about a workshop reaction: brain-meat into a super rare plant's alcohol, "pickled brains" or "fresh brains". Then they enjoy that alcohol. And their civ doesn't have a still for other alcohol making.

Could make a "brain juicer" that uses only brain matter to kinda distill a special booze for them. In d&d lore, which is my main source of Illithid information since mind flayer's themselves are property of WoTC, there is an item called "Illithid Brine" that works exactly as you describe. The only catch is that anyone that isn't an Illithid becomes totally sick for 24 hours. Is there a way to put that in as well without making the Illithids sick to it?

[Brutaka001]

So on the topic of my Illithids. It is described and generally accepted that Illithids "reproduce" through the use of their own tadpoles, which i dub Tadpithids, being introduced to a hosts brain and then consuming it and thus replacing it. That obviously cannot be done to those specifics on DF. It has been shown, in the Hivemind wasps races for a previous edition of Masterwork, that a special pet can latch onto and bite a prisoner, passing on a syndrome that transforms it after a set time into a member of that civ.

Illithids breed through parthenogenesis (basically a natural form of cloning), and then let that Tadpithid mature for a time of 10 years and then introduces it to a bound host to transform into an Illithid over a week's time. Obviously that time will be reduced to maybe a year as a Tadpithid.

I read an ancient post somewhere, from 2014 i think, that I could do this with scripts. Give the gender-less Illithids a self-targeted reaction that has a wait time (that i'll set to once every 5 years) which triggers the script "SyndromeTrigger," and then runs "spawnunit EXAMPLE_ID caste-number name" which i would make as my Tadpithids. Would that work with the current edition
still?

[TomiTapio]

Ah, people have already modded in Illithid / mind flayer empire, and it is included in Deon & mine's OldGenesis major mod.
*googles* 2010 by D_E.
2010's Genesis 3.xx wiki: http://df-genesis.wikidot.com/illithid

they siege very rarely / late in current OldGenesis.

[Brutaka001]

Yea but where that version was a BBEG with wings and antennae, I was making more as a playable race more akin to traditional D&D.

[Toxicshadow]

Since dwarves have the token [ALCOHOL_DEPENDANT], is there a way to add a similar token? For example, I want to make my civ dependant on brains. Though would be able to eat other meats but Brains would be a staple like dwarves with alcohol. Would I have to make a new item that comes from corpses like a Fresh_Brain or something?

How about a workshop reaction: brain-meat into a super rare plant's alcohol, "pickled brains" or "fresh brains". Then they enjoy that alcohol. And their civ doesn't have a still for other alcohol making.

Could make a "brain juicer" that uses only brain matter to kinda distill a special booze for them. In d&d lore, which is my main source of Illithid information since mind flayer's themselves are property of WoTC, there is an item called "Illithid Brine" that works exactly as you describe. The only catch is that anyone that isn't an Illithid becomes totally sick for 24 hours. Is there a way to put that in as well without making the Illithids sick to it?

Sure, take a look at syndromes on the wiki first, then open up plant_standard.txt, find the line "[PLANT:BULB_KOBOLD]", and look at the syndrome attached to that. It's a good example of a simple syndrome, and it is close to your needs, just needs a few tweaks. Copy/paste it over to your brain material, take a look at all the tags and check out what they mean on the wiki, and then edit away you can do it, syndromes might seem intimidating at first but the wiki is thorough and can walk you through it.

Spoiler: hint (click to show/hide)

On the gnomeblight syndrome it specifies who the syndrome can affect (thats SYN_AFFECTED_CREATURE), however what you want is to define who the syndrome doesn't affect. Luckily that token does exist, it's SYN_IMMUNE_CREATURE. You should also read up on creature classes when you have the time, you can set groups of creatures to be affected/immune to a syndrome through creature classes. If things aren't working and you can't seem to figure out why, remember the errorlog can be your friend! (and also the most annoying thing on the planet)

[Brutaka001]

Spoiler: hint (click to show/hide)

On the gnomeblight syndrome it specifies who the syndrome can affect (thats SYN_AFFECTED_CREATURE), however what you want is to define who the syndrome doesn't affect. Luckily that token does exist, it's SYN_IMMUNE_CREATURE. You should also read up on creature classes when you have the time, you can set groups of creatures to be affected/immune to a syndrome through creature classes. If things aren't working and you can't seem to figure out why, remember the errorlog can be your friend! (and also the most annoying thing on the planet)

So with this, i could create an item that all humanoid creatures give when butchered. This item could be "pressed" or "juiced" in a custom workshop specifically for this that gives out an alcohol drink and with the [SYN_IMMUNE_CREATURE] token I can make my Illithids immune to the mentioned syndrome while still getting good feelings because I made them [ALCOHOL_DEPENDANT] and restricted the use of other drinks. That would effectively, in flavor anyway, make them Brain dependant. Maybe I can create multiple different drinks that each do the same thing, but with different names so they don't get tired of drinking the same thing.

But would that all work in theory?

[Toxicshadow]

Spoiler: hint (click to show/hide)

On the gnomeblight syndrome it specifies who the syndrome can affect (thats SYN_AFFECTED_CREATURE), however what you want is to define who the syndrome doesn't affect. Luckily that token does exist, it's SYN_IMMUNE_CREATURE. You should also read up on creature classes when you have the time, you can set groups of creatures to be affected/immune to a syndrome through creature classes. If things aren't working and you can't seem to figure out why, remember the errorlog can be your friend! (and also the most annoying thing on the planet)

So with this, i could create an item that all humanoid creatures give when butchered. This item could be "pressed" or "juiced" in a custom workshop specifically for this that gives out an alcohol drink and with the [SYN_IMMUNE_CREATURE] token I can make my Illithids immune to the mentioned syndrome while still getting good feelings because I made them [ALCOHOL_DEPENDANT] and restricted the use of other drinks. That would effectively, in flavor anyway, make them Brain dependant. Maybe I can create multiple different drinks that each do the same thing, but with different names so they don't get tired of drinking the same thing.

But would that all work in theory?

Anything works "in theory" haha but yes, you're getting it! The best way to learn though is to try it out

I tried doing some testing with a custom reaction to see if I could accept only brains. Surprisingly, I've never found a need to use a specific bodypart in a reagent. The reaction's reagent was set up similar to this:

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[REAGENT:A:1:CORPSEPIECE:NONE:NONE:NONE][USE_BODY_COMPONENT][UNROTTEN]
where the NONEs are, I tried using BRAIN_TEMPLATE as the material (thinking, could material templates be used as a material?) however that didn't work, it accepts any body part (as I figured it would if it didn't only take brains). I tried messing with the item subtype as well but I couldn't get it to work. Perhaps I'm just missing something, so I figured I'd post this for reference and if anybody knows about using body parts in reactions, let us know!