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Voting closed: April 07, 2013, 10:34:35 am

[PyroDesu]

((Nothing here, part of an accidental triple- post streak.))

[PyroDesu]

((Okay, that was a weird error. Accidental triple-post.))

[Remalle]

"Nah, think about how we spin it - we're the oppressed underdogs, wrongly imprisoned by a corrupt government and forced into deadly slave labour.  Just a small shift in thinking and we can reclaim our name for ourselves, and turn public opinion away from the UWM in one fell swoop.  Just as long as... just as long as they forget about what the HMRC has actually, y'know, done."

[Harry Baldman]

"Nah, think about how we spin it - we're the oppressed underdogs, wrongly imprisoned by a corrupt government and forced into deadly slave labour.  Just a small shift in thinking and we can reclaim our name for ourselves, and turn public opinion away from the UWM in one fell swoop.  Just as long as... just as long as they forget about what the HMRC has actually, y'know, done."

"That's true. Also, people aren't really familiar with standard HMRC operating procedure. It's all rumors so far. And all the records and real evidence are either in the possession or under the control of Steve himself, so there's no problem."

[Sean Mirrsen]

"Nah, think about how we spin it - we're the oppressed underdogs, wrongly imprisoned by a corrupt government and forced into deadly slave labour.  Just a small shift in thinking and we can reclaim our name for ourselves, and turn public opinion away from the UWM in one fell swoop.  Just as long as... just as long as they forget about what the HMRC has actually, y'know, done."

"A feat much easier accomplished if we don't go flaunting the name of the HMRC everywhere, especially before we got around to doing the good deeds to change the public's opinion of the organization. Make a name for ourselves, a new name, something that will allow us to go and do things without the ever-present "evil eye", without the suspicions and resentment. People may dislike the UWM, secretly or openly, but the reasons for a person's being in the Corps are typically limited to those that still label each and every member a criminal of the worst kind. There are exceptions, perhaps, as there always are, but for every one man or woman sent here for political or military reasons, how many are here on charges of murder? Mass murder? Or worse than that? And that's just us, on this here ship. Like it or not, the name of the HMRC is a curse. If we want to have any positive traction with the public in this endeavor, we have to leave that name behind, at least until we've established ourselves as the good guys."

((I am so putting my next skill point into Speech with all this arguing.))

[Empiricist]

((Thank you for reminding me about speech rolls ))
Compelled by the phantasmal bold text - which strangely described itself and its action for some enigmatic reason - Charles uses a speech roll in favor of having a name other than HMRC.

[Unholy_Pariah]

yay for HMRC

moneys get

[NAV]

I'm in the HMRC! Yaaayyy!!!

Yay HMRC

[Tavik Toth]

"Nay."

[kisame12794]

"Gonna say nay to keeping HMRC. It's where horrible criminals go, and suddenly attempting to overthrow the UWM isn't going to change that."

[Lenglon]

going back around the Pony Predator towards Jim, walk over to the far side of Jim from the PP, and keep him between me and it at all times.

[Radio Controlled]

"I have already made my opinion pretty clear, but just for clarity I officially vote NAY. We rreaaaly don't need the stigma that the HMRC carries with it, it'll be hard enough already without that."

Miyamoto's team had a bit more trouble then the others and a lot more property damage, but considering the circumstances I can't really blame them.

Now, after we get this name thing worked out, we can start the planning for the next step in this war.

"Yeah well, in our defense, we did encounter the most resistance out of all the teams. Hell, we probably took out more sods and UE's then the other squads combined! But, lesson learned: better distribute firepower next time.

Wait, are we going to be part of the planning? Sweet."

(So, current balance for the reward fund is:

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Jimiya Team: 30 tokens
15 Jim  perfect uncon decomp
5   Flint nades and cameras
3   flint battle suit shield (according to Idiots in space)

thus: 30 - 15 - 5 - 3 = 7    this will increase once we know how much tokens we can recuperate after handing in the rest of our stuff.

Defense team: 30 tokens
12 skylar drones
2 morul   ammo
2 morul  longcoat
7 morul  sibilus gaus rifle

30 - 12 - 11 = 7

Sabotage team: no tokens, special equipment though.
various tools, including microwelder
silenced gauss pistols
disguised bomb
medical supplies

No idea how much this stuff is worth, or if we are even allowed to keep it. If we are, then we'll need to assign a value of tokens to them.

Dead people+general loot
Michael's stuff: magnetic manip, micro manip, light bending cloak and 1 token he still had on him
Anything from a UE? the broken changeling cloak

Stuff like sod batons and corpses and mystery metal boxes won't be counted, for sake of not complicating matters further. Also won't count in the blackship, because that's for all of us to use anyway.

So, that brings us to a current total of: 7 + 7 + 1 (from Michael) = 15 tokens. Not a whole lot, but this'll increase a good amount once we add the various stuff that we'll be giving to the AM.

@ Kisame: how much of the mission fund ammo left?
Sorry, but you guys will probably have to wait a day or two more before you get your tokens, depending on how fast SC, Cael, pw and me can work this out.
The way we'll do this: all the stuff from the mission fund gets returned and added to the fund. The other loot will be rated for their token worth, and that amount will be added to the pool. Then, people can decide if they want their payment in tokens, or in an equal amount worth of gear (or a combination of the two, of course).

@ PieceWise: could you please, for each item on the following list, tell us how many tokens we'd get if we returned these to the AM?
Also, in the beginning of the mission, you said that 'bonuses ' could be awarded, will this be the case? And will these be awarded to individuals, or rather extra tokens for the reward fund?

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

perfect uncon decomp
nades and cameras from Flint
drone pallet, 3 drones destroyed
longcoat
sibilus gaus rifle
various tools,
microwelder
silenced gauss pistols
disguised bomb
medical supplies
magnetic manip
micro manip
light bending cloak
broken changeling cloak
4 smoke nades
5 spy cams
gauss rifle ammo

Oh god I hope I got everything now, darn if this isn't annoying. What am I, an accountant?))

((@ SC: just in case you hadn't noticed yet, check your inbox please.))

[Parisbre56]

((The 5 grenades cost 1 token, 1 of them was used.
The 5 cameras cost 1 token, 2 of them remain. Edit: The rest are in the overload area, might be recoverable.
The shield cost 3 tokens, it is completely unused.
Total is 5 tokens, could probably return what I got for 4.

Edit: Although I probably shouldn't had posted this, since piecewise was likely to forget how many of them I used.))

[Kriellya]

I'm with the Nay camp, though if the rest of us can't agree on a name otherwise, perhaps the path of least resistance is best. The HMRC is a tool of the UWM, and a tool of fear. We aren't either, though it is perhaps not worth losing the name entirely. I'm sure there is still use for the name, but not as the name of a revolution.

(( On the 'tallying up the return value', my drones were 12 tokens, and 3 of 10 have been destroyed by my count (cause I feel like being helpful, PW ) So I would expect a maximum return value of 8 tokens, more reasonably probably 4 to 6 tokens from the drones. ))

[GreatWyrmGold]

going back around the Pony Predator towards Jim, walk over to the far side of Jim from the PP, and keep him between me and it at all times.

"Bye, Lyra..."
(Um...)


"Why are we so worried about the name? ...Why are we naming it, anyways?"