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Mrhappyface

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Speardwarves?
« on: April 19, 2012, 09:26:29 am »

Should I give steel or adamantine spears to my speardwarves? Hopefully this won't get derailed like all my threads.
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Re: Speardwarves?
« Reply #1 on: April 19, 2012, 09:26:49 am »

Adamantine if you have it.
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Re: Speardwarves?
« Reply #2 on: April 19, 2012, 09:33:55 am »

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« Reply #3 on: April 19, 2012, 09:36:58 am »

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Re: Speardwarves?
« Reply #4 on: April 19, 2012, 09:48:29 am »

I don't think metal and weapon raws have been changed, so it should be fine.

Rule of thumb is that adamantine is best for armor and anything that needs to be sharp, silver seems prefered for blunt.
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« Reply #5 on: April 19, 2012, 10:05:21 am »

Silver penetrates armour best, steel crits more (with blunt weapons). Against armoured enemies silver blunt weapons are always your best choice it would seem (Not sure how they work against Titans and FB due to body composition etc)
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« Reply #6 on: April 19, 2012, 10:10:07 am »

Silver penetrates armour best, steel crits more (with blunt weapons). Against armoured enemies silver blunt weapons are always your best choice it would seem (Not sure how they work against Titans and FB due to body composition etc)

Well its been thrown around a few hundred times that a spear will generally do you a lot of good against anything huge with working organs that bleeds
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« Reply #7 on: April 19, 2012, 11:26:01 am »

If you have access to candy, it's the best thing for any edged weapon, including spears.

It's been suggested that a dwarf with one steel layer of armor surrounded by candy is somewhat more uber-armored than a dwarf clad only in candy, at least as far as absorbing blunt hits go. And of course candy is useless for making blunt weapons themselves (and, in this version, crossbow bolts, which act more like bullets than sharp stabby things). Other than that, there are no reasons not to make all your armor and weapons out of candy over any other material, assuming you have enough candy.
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« Reply #8 on: April 19, 2012, 11:31:44 am »

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« Reply #9 on: April 19, 2012, 01:36:16 pm »

If its edged go for Candy, if its blunt steel/bronze or silver

And my understanding of the issues with candy arrows was that it penetrated too good, that it hit and embedded in the wound without transferring any damage to surrounding tissue

Whereas a bolt of another metal wouldn't penetrate as well and thus would also cause some extra crushing damage as it penetrated the armor/flesh

So if your enemy has "decent" armor candy arrows might be okay
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Re: Speardwarves?
« Reply #10 on: April 20, 2012, 06:42:46 pm »

Candy is great for anything except maces and hammers. I'm not so sure about bolts, they seem to have a very low penetration range that they often lodge in the wound, even if made of silver which has a bad penetration value.
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« Reply #11 on: April 20, 2012, 08:12:28 pm »

Silver penetrates armour best, steel crits more (with blunt weapons). Against armoured enemies silver blunt weapons are always your best choice it would seem (Not sure how they work against Titans and FB due to body composition etc)
Steel warhammers tend to glance off of a bronze colussus, while steel spears and axes can chip parts and chop them off.
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« Reply #12 on: April 20, 2012, 08:16:37 pm »

The only drawback to using bluemetal for spears is that they are not just stabby-slicy weapons.  The are also used like staves, so there are the occasional blunt attacks.  Of course, the insane sharpness of the bluemetal blade would probably more than compensate for the nerf-like results of bashing with said spear.
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« Reply #13 on: April 21, 2012, 02:38:22 am »

The only drawback to using bluemetal for spears is that they are not just stabby-slicy weapons.  The are also used like staves, so there are the occasional blunt attacks.  Of course, the insane sharpness of the bluemetal blade would probably more than compensate for the nerf-like results of bashing with said spear.

It's rare that they're used in that manner, and axes, swords, and pretty much everything but scourges can also be used in that manner, so bluemetal is still good.

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Re: Speardwarves?
« Reply #14 on: April 21, 2012, 04:20:42 am »

If I only had a very limited amount of adamantine then I'd probably save it for shortswords myself, because they're the most versatile weapon available to you by default in fortress mode; if your lads are aggressive-patrolling down in the caverns you can't always predict whether they'll need a weapon best suited for appendage-removing or vital organ-piercing. If you're dealing with the restless dead on the other hand, definitely go with adamantine spears.
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