Bay 12 Games Forum

Please login or register.

Login with username, password and session length
Advanced search  
Pages: 1 ... 87 88 [89] 90 91 ... 160

Author Topic: Economies of Scale *Free Browser Game*  (Read 324226 times)

Paul

  • Bay Watcher
  • Polite discourse with a dash of insanity.
    • View Profile
    • Need an affordable website? I can help.
Re: Economies of Scale *Free Browser Game*
« Reply #1320 on: April 29, 2012, 11:54:51 am »

In the real world they sell the shares at a set price, and real people have to buy all of them for the company to get the money. Real people then trade the stock on the market at prices that are set by what people are willing to pay for the stock. If the founders are making money off of it, it would be them under-pricing their shares in the IPO and then selling them once the company is publicly trading at a higher price. It likely wouldn't work in such quantities as 60% of the entire stock, since then you'd be flooding the market and other people wanting to sell their shares would be undercutting you. Something like that could quickly kill a stock - if the price starts to plummet people are going to suspect that there is something wrong with it, even if it's a perfectly good company. In reality you also have people working in the company that won't up and quit when it changes ownership, so it will keep running.

In game the stock is automatically started at the current value of the company - you get 1 share per dollar of value. But then it spikes up as people buy it. There isn't really an IPO, it just gives the company money. And then when you buy and sell shares you're buying and selling to the computer. And in the game when the original owner sells out, the computer just buys it from him no questions asked. And the company is left without anyone controlling it and will completely stop running unless the next best shareholder decides to take time to control it (even though most of the folks buying stock are wanting OTHER people to control the companies - the stock market is supposed to be a way to invest money for a bit of return without work).
Logged
Do you like Science Fiction? I'm writing the Weaveborn Saga over on Royal Road and my website. Link

Muz

  • Bay Watcher
    • View Profile
Re: Economies of Scale *Free Browser Game*
« Reply #1321 on: April 29, 2012, 01:29:44 pm »

Hmm... good points.

But I still think that there should be some way for a company to 'sell out' and get absorbed by a larger company.
Logged
Disclaimer: Any sarcasm in my posts will not be mentioned as that would ruin the purpose. It is assumed that the reader is intelligent enough to tell the difference between what is sarcasm and what is not.

Paul

  • Bay Watcher
  • Polite discourse with a dash of insanity.
    • View Profile
    • Need an affordable website? I can help.
Re: Economies of Scale *Free Browser Game*
« Reply #1322 on: April 29, 2012, 01:40:13 pm »

Some type of merger mechanic would be nice. Not sure how it would work with the way the game handles factory spaces, though - land is at a premium.
Logged
Do you like Science Fiction? I'm writing the Weaveborn Saga over on Royal Road and my website. Link

LoSboccacc

  • Bay Watcher
  • Σὺν Ἀθηνᾷ καὶ χεῖρα κίνει
    • View Profile
Re: Economies of Scale *Free Browser Game*
« Reply #1323 on: April 29, 2012, 01:53:29 pm »

as it is there is no company owning other companies, everything is owned by private parties.

It would be interesting a subsidiary mechanic, but it would just become a workaround to tight factory space, as Paul said
Logged

Frajic

  • Bay Watcher
    • View Profile
Re: Economies of Scale *Free Browser Game*
« Reply #1324 on: April 29, 2012, 04:46:40 pm »

Posting a status report just because. My petroleum venture has grown dramatically - now producing Q37 from a 1200m2 well. I sold off my prospector R&D because Q38 costs $200k - expanding my well by 50% seemed like a better investment :P
Logged
EoS company name: Vikings Inc.

Mr. Palau

  • Bay Watcher
    • View Profile
Re: Economies of Scale *Free Browser Game*
« Reply #1325 on: April 29, 2012, 05:02:21 pm »

Posting a status report just because. My petroleum venture has grown dramatically - now producing Q37 from a 1200m2 well. I sold off my prospector R&D because Q38 costs $200k - expanding my well by 50% seemed like a better investment :P
Tell us when you have an IPO.
Logged
you can't just go up to people and get laid.

Paul

  • Bay Watcher
  • Polite discourse with a dash of insanity.
    • View Profile
    • Need an affordable website? I can help.
Re: Economies of Scale *Free Browser Game*
« Reply #1326 on: April 29, 2012, 09:10:53 pm »

I'm refraining from going public on most of my companies. I did it on KFC just to test out the system, but with the way the system works I think I'd rather keep my companies private. If it didn't cost such a huge amount of money to do things like issue stock I might like it more.

For instance, my KFC company - it wants 24,500,000 just to issue more stock or offer a stock split. My whole company's net worth is only 75 mil. So it's wanting 1/3 of my entire company's worth just to issue more stock. That's a pretty hefty fee, and it kind of negates the purpose of issuing stock (to raise money) if it costs almost as much just to issue stock as you could even get from the issue.
Logged
Do you like Science Fiction? I'm writing the Weaveborn Saga over on Royal Road and my website. Link

Mr. Palau

  • Bay Watcher
    • View Profile
Re: Economies of Scale *Free Browser Game*
« Reply #1327 on: April 29, 2012, 09:19:30 pm »

I'm refraining from going public on most of my companies. I did it on KFC just to test out the system, but with the way the system works I think I'd rather keep my companies private. If it didn't cost such a huge amount of money to do things like issue stock I might like it more.

For instance, my KFC company - it wants 24,500,000 just to issue more stock or offer a stock split. My whole company's net worth is only 75 mil. So it's wanting 1/3 of my entire company's worth just to issue more stock. That's a pretty hefty fee, and it kind of negates the purpose of issuing stock (to raise money) if it costs almost as much just to issue stock as you could even get from the issue.
Yep, although you could then buy that stock as an individual and minipulate it into making you more money.
Logged
you can't just go up to people and get laid.

MarcAFK

  • Bay Watcher
  • [INSANITY INTENSIFIES]
    • View Profile
Re: Economies of Scale *Free Browser Game*
« Reply #1328 on: April 29, 2012, 09:23:57 pm »

I was meaning to dump the random company i ended up with stocks in, however realising that i was making money from it and that i wouldn't get all of the company's stock value when selling it off caused me to have a change of heart.
Buying back stock however caused the company's value to double meaning i couldn't quite afford 50%. grrr :s
Logged
They're nearly as bad as badgers. Build a couple of anti-buzzard SAM sites marksdwarf towers and your fortress will look like Baghdad in 2003 from all the aerial bolt spam. You waste a lot of ammo and everything is covered in unslightly exploded buzzard bits and broken bolts.

Brons

  • Bay Watcher
    • View Profile
Re: Economies of Scale *Free Browser Game*
« Reply #1329 on: April 30, 2012, 01:43:57 am »

The stock market will value your company at a pretty high multiple though. I IPO'ed my company and immediately bought all the issued shares for myself, my networth went up about 1000% in one day.
Logged

LoSboccacc

  • Bay Watcher
  • Σὺν Ἀθηνᾷ καὶ χεῖρα κίνει
    • View Profile
Re: Economies of Scale *Free Browser Game*
« Reply #1330 on: April 30, 2012, 04:15:59 am »

the new queue functionality is awesome.

is there an user script to change the eta in the right hand side to local time?
Logged

MrWiggles

  • Bay Watcher
  • Doubt Everything
    • View Profile
Re: Economies of Scale *Free Browser Game*
« Reply #1331 on: April 30, 2012, 04:44:26 am »

the new queue functionality is awesome.

is there an user script to change the eta in the right hand side to local time?
It's only awesome if it's functional.

I just set my three orchards with about 36 hours worth of queue, but I think we're going to be getting a couple of sorries and free monies in the next few days.
Logged
Doesn't like running from bears = clearly isn't an Eastern European
I'm Making a Mush! Navitas: City Limits ~ Inspired by Dresden Files and SCP.
http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=113699.msg3470055#msg3470055
http://www.tf2items.com/id/MisterWigggles666#

The Darkling Wolf

  • Bay Watcher
  • Arf!
    • View Profile
    • Cataclysm - Dark Days Ahead
Re: Economies of Scale *Free Browser Game*
« Reply #1332 on: April 30, 2012, 05:36:58 am »

It seems to be working fine for me.
Although it would have been nice to have it before I interrupted my 96 hours of factory work to make a smaller batch
Logged
My cabbages!
[Thunderfury, Blessed Blade of the Windseeker]

I am fat, eating is my great joy.

Sirian

  • Bay Watcher
    • View Profile
Re: Economies of Scale *Free Browser Game*
« Reply #1333 on: April 30, 2012, 06:03:03 am »

It seems to be working fine for me.
Although it would have been nice to have it before I interrupted my 96 hours of factory work to make a smaller batch

I've seen a little display bug so far (it looked like the next item in the queue was being produced and the previous one removed), but reloading fixed that. Can't wait for the R&D queue though, it would be the most useful one for me.
Logged

MrWiggles

  • Bay Watcher
  • Doubt Everything
    • View Profile
Re: Economies of Scale *Free Browser Game*
« Reply #1334 on: April 30, 2012, 06:06:14 am »

+1 for for RD Queque.

With the timings being so quick for everything, it'd be great to have it.
Logged
Doesn't like running from bears = clearly isn't an Eastern European
I'm Making a Mush! Navitas: City Limits ~ Inspired by Dresden Files and SCP.
http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=113699.msg3470055#msg3470055
http://www.tf2items.com/id/MisterWigggles666#
Pages: 1 ... 87 88 [89] 90 91 ... 160