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[xmakina]

Oh you wanted exploits specifically?

The 2 tiles around a ramp and turning circle rules are just challenges-that-makes-sense; Personally I don't want a cart full of angry tigers or loaded to capacity with rock-based crafts to be moving at a 45 degree angle (which is what 3 ramps sequentially would equate to) and/or making impossible turns (you can't turn a 3x3 square in a 3x3 space).

[NTJedi]

Oh you wanted exploits specifically?

The 2 tiles around a ramp and turning circle rules are just challenges-that-makes-sense; Personally I don't want a cart full of angry tigers or loaded to capacity with rock-based crafts to be moving at a 45 degree angle (which is what 3 ramps sequentially would equate to) and/or making impossible turns (you can't turn a 3x3 square in a 3x3 space).

They don't have to be exploits.  I just thought you were addressing a known exploit.  I wasn't aware the wagons make 45 degree angle turns. Could a wagon travel down a single tile ramp?  If the wagon takes 3X3 squares I thought the ramp would need to be at least 1X3 for the wagon to access downstairs.

[xmakina]

They don't have to be exploits.  I just thought you were addressing a known exploit.  I wasn't aware the wagons make 45 degree angle turns. Could a wagon travel down a single tile ramp?  If the wagon takes 3X3 squares I thought the ramp would need to be at least 1X3 for the wagon to access downstairs.

Wagons do need a ramp at least three tiles *wide* to drop a z-level, but they can go down three z-levels sequentially without needing to level-out (so the front of the wagon will be 2 levels lower than the back) which, to me at least, looks rubbish. Wagons can't make a 45 degree turn, but watching them do their 90 degree turn when there's clearly no room for that to happen is, again to me at least jarring and looks a bit rubbish.

[NTJedi]

My opinion...

-Danger rooms over 1-2 spears/tile are overpowered and should not be used.
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-Abuse of infinite resources (sand, fire clay, etc) is an exploit and should not be used.

Feel free to agree with me or disagree.

I won't be using any danger rooms at all... I really like the idea behind having danger rooms and hope Toady adds them while addressing game balance as well.  I've actually never used danger rooms.

I haven't used any clay or pottery within games.  What ways are infinite resources abused?  I don't understand why sand or any type of clay would be an infinite resource... I feel they should eventually vanish if used frequently, hopefully this is changed.

[NTJedi]

Wagons do need a ramp at least three tiles *wide* to drop a z-level, but they can go down three z-levels sequentially without needing to level-out (so the front of the wagon will be 2 levels lower than the back) which, to me at least, looks rubbish. Wagons can't make a 45 degree turn, but watching them do their 90 degree turn when there's clearly no room for that to happen is, again to me at least jarring and looks a bit rubbish.

Wow... that's just weird.  Ideally the entire wagon should not advance to the next z level until it's full arrived on the previous z level, perhaps something we'll see in the future.

[0x517A5D]

I see I'm late to this thread, but I'd like to chime in anyway.

In my most recent game, I chose these rules:

• Small(ish) 3x3 embark.
• No moat-the-map or wall-the-map.  Can wall off pastures, watchtowers, and the like.
• All structures must be built with blocks or bars.
• All constructions must be built with blocks.
• Exception: single-level outside walls may be made from raw stone or wood.  Such walls may not be part of a building.
• All furniture must be made of wood, metal, or glass.
• Furnaces must be made out of fire-safe material; magma furnaces must be made out of magma-safe material.
• In fact, any structure, construction, or machine that will contact magma needs to be made from magma-safe material.
• Exception: pumps may be made out of glass.  Glass is magma-safe but realistically shouldn't be.  (Building a pumpstack out of iron or steel is hell.)
• All traps require: metal mechanisms, a smoothed stone floor or a constructed (from blocks) floor, and a ceiling.
• Exception: spear traps do not require a ceiling.
• Exception: stonefall traps can use stone mechanisms and can be built on dirt or rough stone floors.  (They do require a ceiling.)
• Metal mechanisms are also required for all gears and all machines. Stone mechanisms are only for stonefall traps and for trade.
• All workshops (and similar buildings) must be underground.  Absolutely no exceptions.
• Bedrooms, dorms, and sleeping barracks must:
• be above-ground.
• have a smoothed or constructed (from blocks) floor, walls and a ceiling.
• have a door and a window.  The window must be adjacent to a tile that is open to the sky.
• for every bed, there must be at least one piece of furniture that is not a bed.

The workshop and bedroom rules were just to vary from my normal play.

Sometimes I don't allow trade of mechanisms, as it is somewhat exploitative, but this time I did.