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[Loud Whispers]

On the contrary this fulfills the beast of burden suggestion that constantly recirculates every now and then

[SRD]

BUT NOW THEY WILL BE SLOW AND CAN'T RUN INTO GOBLINS.

[JoshuaFH]

BUT NOW THEY WILL BE SLOW AND CAN'T RUN INTO GOBLINS.

You mean, "NOW THEY CAN BITE PEOPLE!"

[Loud Whispers]

Giant Cave Spider Wagons.

Where are your Gods now Goblins?

[Chronomancer]

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Toady One Minecarts are a new tool in the raws. The minecart behavior is determined by the "TRACK_CART" tool use, so you can add your own carts called whatever made of whatever. I'm sticking with wood and metal minecarts called minecarts. Their state as a tool currently has the wooden minecart creation job in the craftsdwarf shop and all carts in the finished goods piles, but I'll likely diversify the tool raws there as well. If it's not too time-consuming to convert the whole eventual system, I'll give the 34.02-7 saves a default minecart tool as well -- as it stands they wouldn't have them.

I've started up hauling routes and vehicle assignments in order to get a cart on the tracks. That'll extend to beasts of burden traveling trackless routes (this will need hay and feeding stations or something, so the animals can eat while they are at stops). A hauling route is a series of stops with properties -- it doesn't have a notion of the actual path built in. We'll see how it plays out. Although once I've got a cart on a track I'll probably jump over to minecart physics and finish the hauling afterward, since it'll be hard to stay away from track accidents and carts hurtling through the air and stuff.

Powered by animals.. DAMNIT.

So I can't have lead minecart cannons?

[SRD]

Nope, odds are people are going to put horses as the cart pullers, and horses don't bite, they pound and smash until there is nothing left.

[Kofthefens]

Although once I've got a cart on a track I'll probably jump over to minecart physics and finish the hauling afterward, since it'll be hard to stay away from track accidents and carts hurtling through the air and stuff.

This seems to imply they will still make use of gravity; beasts of burden will just be able to bring them back to the top.

That'll extend to beasts of burden traveling trackless routes (this will need hay and feeding stations or something, so the animals can eat while they are at stops).

This seems to me like beasts of burden will just be one option, also able to be used when there is no track.

[SRD]

LOL imagine the rollercoaster,

'Ready kids?'
'YAAAY'
'K donkey, go'
'badump..... badump.... badump'
'THIS IS SHIT'

[Chronomancer]

Nevahmind, animals are used for cartless tracks.

Dwarf chariotry?

[JoshuaFH]

Nevahmind, animals are used for cartless tracks.

Dwarf chariotry?

Cartless tracks?

heh?

I can understand trackless carts. In which case, hook one up to a giant eagle. Enjoy your dwarven flying device.

[Girlinhat]

Parrots are now pack animals.  Someone needs to draw a small kea or owl carrying a dwarven minecart.

[Loud Whispers]

Parrots are now pack animals.  Someone needs to draw a small kea or owl carrying a dwarven minecart.

Keas with arms.

And fish standing up.

[Okami No Rei]

This seems to me like beasts of burden will just be one option, also able to be used when there is no track.

I got the same impression, namely that he'll be piggybacking BoB behaviour onto the minecart code and decoupling it from the necessity for tracks.  I should hope he leaves the question of how to apply motive force to the cart an open-ended one, ranging in options from dwarf/BoB hauling, the "pump-cart" engine, mechanisms on the tracks, gravity, flowing water over the track, catsplosions, or even slave labor.

My question is, can minecarts that are explicitly hauled rather than rail/pump powered be taken off the rails?  Since BoB's won't require tracks for their hauling routes, it seems like this would be a logical extension of his "define the stations, let the BoB pathfind" strategy.  Maybe allow a dwarf to have a rail/de-rail cart job at stations.  I can easily envision a precisely engineered rail system run on gears, powered by waterwheels, and running to major areas of the fortress, with carts being pulled to and from rail stations by cart-hauling dwarves (seperate job, maybe?) or BoBs who take them out into the mines/forests, fill them with stone/wood/silk/sand/goblinite/etc, then drag them back to the nearest station where they're whisked off to processing.

I sincerely hope we get a new type of drawbridge with built-in rails.  Also, I think having a separate internal and external rail-system, connected by air-locked stockpiles between adjacent internal/external stations, would be the safest way to have the efficiency of a rail collection system without compromising security.

I expect that we won't have carts/beasts automagically loading/unloading themselves, but that's what peasants are for.  If they can't be explicitly assigned to load/unload from a station, just burrow them there with only hauling tasks enabled.

[SRD]

Parrots are now pack animals.  Someone needs to draw a small kea or owl carrying a dwarven minecart.

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[Linenoise02]

This seems to me like beasts of burden will just be one option, also able to be used when there is no track.

I got the same impression, namely that he'll be piggybacking BoB behaviour onto the minecart code and decoupling it from the necessity for tracks.  I should hope he leaves the question of how to apply motive force to the cart an open-ended one, ranging in options from dwarf/BoB hauling, the "pump-cart" engine, mechanisms on the tracks, gravity, flowing water over the track, catsplosions, or even slave labor.

My question is, can minecarts that are explicitly hauled rather than rail/pump powered be taken off the rails?  Since BoB's won't require tracks for their hauling routes, it seems like this would be a logical extension of his "define the stations, let the BoB pathfind" strategy.  Maybe allow a dwarf to have a rail/de-rail cart job at stations.  I can easily envision a precisely engineered rail system run on gears, powered by waterwheels, and running to major areas of the fortress, with carts being pulled to and from rail stations by cart-hauling dwarves (seperate job, maybe?) or BoBs who take them out into the mines/forests, fill them with stone/wood/silk/sand/goblinite/etc, then drag them back to the nearest station where they're whisked off to processing.

I sincerely hope we get a new type of drawbridge with built-in rails.  Also, I think having a separate internal and external rail-system, connected by air-locked stockpiles between adjacent internal/external stations, would be the safest way to have the efficiency of a rail collection system without compromising security.

I expect that we won't have carts/beasts automagically loading/unloading themselves, but that's what peasants are for.  If they can't be explicitly assigned to load/unload from a station, just burrow them there with only hauling tasks enabled.

Yeah yeah that all sounds great.  But can I smash a goblin with one?

Or even.. does this result in an even easier Noble Execution Lever?  Pull lever at one end of 1x10 hallway, releasing cart at max speed at the other end of the hallway..