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Re: Things people should've been taught from the start
« Reply #135 on: March 25, 2012, 04:32:25 pm »

I dont see point in solving things like "My mother is 2 times older than me, but she was 3 times older than me 3 years ago, how old am i now?"
Its hard to solve and incredibly pontless becouse only total asshole would say how old he is this way.
Well i asked my teacher "What is it for?"
"Its for the test"
"But what is the test for?"
"So you can get grade"
"What is point in getting good grades since i can pass school with getting average of 2?"
"Stop asking stupid questions"
The end of story.
And i actually learnt all english i know from games, and the internet, not school.
A question like this is actually really important, since it's basically finding the equations given some information. I'm not even sure how to elaborate, since there's an infinite amount of possibilities for problems that you might get.

The question is a "stupid" question involving the age of some guy, because the question is easy for everyone to understand. There's probably going to be some question where for example, you have to find out how many adults and kids went to some movie theater given some information involving the money that the theater earned and each kid being with two adults.

It's really important to learn how to get the equation from the information given, because questions like this will appear forever. In electrical engineering, one question could be, "An Op-Amp in non-inverting configuration has 10 gain, and Rf equals 9k. What is the value of Ri?"

Heck, you'll have to do math like that just to keep track of your basic finances and budgeting.
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Re: Things people should've been taught from the start
« Reply #136 on: March 25, 2012, 06:30:03 pm »

Personally, I find "2X=Y and 3(X-3)=Y-3" a lot easier to understand than "My mother is 2 times older than me, but she was 3 times older than me 3 years ago, how old am i now?"

Because seriously, who uses algebra for your age?

Also that question is really weird because that would mean that your mother would be 12 and you would be 6 :P
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Re: Things people should've been taught from the start
« Reply #137 on: March 25, 2012, 06:50:59 pm »

Personally, I find "2X=Y and 3(X-3)=Y-3" a lot easier to understand than "My mother is 2 times older than me, but she was 3 times older than me 3 years ago, how old am i now?"

Because seriously, who uses algebra for your age?

Also that question is really weird because that would mean that your mother would be 12 and you would be 6 :P
The first is obviously easier to understand, but the idea is getting the second to the first.

It's embarrassing how many times I'm given a diagram or a circuit, only to have no clue how to even begin the equations.
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Re: Things people should've been taught from the start
« Reply #138 on: March 25, 2012, 09:26:36 pm »

Yeah.  In real situations you'll often be given a problem in terms of what's actually happening rather than an equation.  Being able to convert stuff to algebra is useful (or, alternatively, some people would prefer to approach a problem from a "real things happening" rather than an algebraic perspective - for them, going the other way could be useful).
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Re: Things people should've been taught from the start
« Reply #139 on: March 26, 2012, 04:28:53 am »

Personally, I find "2X=Y and 3(X-3)=Y-3" a lot easier to understand than "My mother is 2 times older than me, but she was 3 times older than me 3 years ago, how old am i now?"

Because seriously, who uses algebra for your age?

Also that question is really weird because that would mean that your mother would be 12 and you would be 6 :P
The first is obviously easier to understand, but the idea is getting the second to the first.

It's embarrassing how many times I'm given a diagram or a circuit, only to have no clue how to even begin the equations.

So thats whats its for, well i have no problems with solving algebra, but i have problems by getting the suff to algebra.
Well and the mother thing, i made it on run, but this kind of tasks we have to solve at maths now.
And, to the PE hatetrain, i dont like PE becouse our teacher is vulgar, while you hear, "fuck" "shit" and stuff everyday, its a bit strange to hear it from teacher. He is like "Move your fucking ass over there!" and actually we can do nothing about it, we reported he is vulgar, but it didnt help.
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Re: Things people should've been taught from the start
« Reply #140 on: March 26, 2012, 04:56:34 am »

I think there's ridiculous untapped potential in edutainment games, myself.


It worked for TV shows. Ever seen The Magic Schoolbus or Bill Nye the Science Guy? Those were awesome.

The only untapped potential the Magic Schoolbus had was giving me a boner for mrs.frizzle.
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Re: Things people should've been taught from the start
« Reply #141 on: March 26, 2012, 09:03:37 am »

I think there's ridiculous untapped potential in edutainment games, myself.


It worked for TV shows. Ever seen The Magic Schoolbus or Bill Nye the Science Guy? Those were awesome.

The only untapped potential the Magic Schoolbus had was giving me a boner for mrs.frizzle.

Amen, brother.
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Re: Things people should've been taught from the start
« Reply #142 on: March 26, 2012, 09:46:54 am »


"I automatically dismiss someone as laughably unintelligent when they seriously use that word as an insult."


I didn't write that.

You win. I'll leave. If I'm offending so many people, I'll leave.

So far only Galick is raging everywhere
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Re: Things people should've been taught from the start
« Reply #143 on: March 26, 2012, 09:49:57 am »


"I automatically dismiss someone as laughably unintelligent when they seriously use that word as an insult."


I didn't write that.

You win. I'll leave. If I'm offending so many people, I'll leave.

So far only Galick is raging everywhere

That's what I figured. It's easy to get frustrated on the internet. I don't blame him.
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Re: Things people should've been taught from the start
« Reply #144 on: March 26, 2012, 03:29:09 pm »

I dont see point in solving things like "My mother is 2 times older than me, but she was 3 times older than me 3 years ago, how old am i now?"
Its hard to solve and incredibly pontless becouse only total asshole would say how old he is this way.
Well i asked my teacher "What is it for?"
"Its for the test"
"But what is the test for?"
"So you can get grade"
"What is point in getting good grades since i can pass school with getting average of 2?"
"Stop asking stupid questions"
The end of story.
And i actually learnt all english i know from games, and the internet, not school.

It's the reason why I suck at maths. I can't study if the subject seems fake and hollow.

And it's impossible to learn English in school here. I learnt English from video games and internet. You can NEVER learn a language if you don't practice it outside the school. I learnt it because I needed it. I can't learn maths because I won't need it and I never got an acceptable answer to the "why we learn this crap?" question. I'm going to the twelfth grade. It's the final grade and after that it's university. Find me a logical reason why I am learning integral calculus in 12. grade. I'm never going to be involved in a career that involves mathematics and majority of the class too.

They don't teach us English (important in this modern day), how to treat simple injuries (important for emergencies), formal debate and public speaking (social skills), philosophy and critical thinking (important for... being able to think?)

They teach us integral calculus. They teach us algebra with involution. They teach us things we will never need when we don't even know how to speak in public. I know a girl who is smart but only smart in the terms of school. She literally can't talk. She says weird things and she has zero social skills. She makes a complete idiot of herself regularly. She is good at exams but that's it. She is either very stupid or very smart. Maybe it's because the definition of smartness is different in school.

School is supposed to be resposible for discipline and good manners. How they do that? By applying corporal punishment (aka beating)? I wish there was a lesson that teaches things like ethics and table manners. I used to have trouble while cutting meats. A kid who can't properly cut chicken nuggets with a simple knife is learning trigonometry...
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Re: Things people should've been taught from the start
« Reply #145 on: March 26, 2012, 03:52:19 pm »

I dont like maths becouse i always wanted to become pathologist or metal musician that is able to live on money from music.
Becouse both things are exciting. Dont get me wrong, im not psycho, i just was always fascinated with human body. There is something that disgusts but yet fascinates people in it. And well, not much of people want to be pathologist, so its kinda good job. And i think if math wouldnt be mandatory i would happily learn it. But still i prefer biology any time of day.
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Re: Things people should've been taught from the start
« Reply #146 on: March 26, 2012, 05:20:53 pm »

School is supposed to be resposible for discipline and good manners.

No, they're not. Parents are supposed to do that. School is, at most, expected to help out a little.


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How they do that? By applying corporal punishment (aka beating)?

No. Just no.


I dont like maths becouse i always wanted to become pathologist or metal musician that is able to live on money from music

...So you can't like math? That doesn't add up.
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Re: Things people should've been taught from the start
« Reply #147 on: March 26, 2012, 06:35:16 pm »

School is supposed to be resposible for discipline and good manners.

No, they're not. Parents are supposed to do that. School is, at most, expected to help out a little.


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How they do that? By applying corporal punishment (aka beating)?

No. Just no.


At least it's how it's like here. My teacher from grade school would slap his students in the head and it always sounded like a lightining. She always did it in an unexpectable situtation and she was very fast. Corporal punishment is prohibited in name only. Also, some teachers are lenient against good mannered students and students can recieve rustication because of their behavior. Schools are expected to maintain discipline, unversities don't... as much.

And I don't see anything wrong with a would-be metal musician not liking maths :P Most people who don't make living by a career that uses maths tend to hate maths because they are forced to learn it for years.
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Re: Things people should've been taught from the start
« Reply #148 on: March 26, 2012, 06:53:24 pm »

Ah, I misunderstood; I thought you were saying they should use beatings to teach discipline. Which is just plain wrong. And completely uncivilized *glares at USA and the European south and east*. In fact, any country that still allows corporal punishment of any kind does not even deserve to be called a word with "civilized" in it. They're just "un".
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Re: Things people should've been taught from the start
« Reply #149 on: March 26, 2012, 06:56:17 pm »

Out of curiosity, just what country are you from Leatra?
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