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[MagmaMcFry]

EBWOP: Name mess-up. Again.

He later voted Dr. Phibes for this:

should be
"Later, he gave the following reasons for voting Painiac:".

[Think0028]

borno has replaced Scelly9.

[IronyOwl]

zomara:

Dariush, can you please, for the sake of me being able to have a better understanding, explain to me why you are not a scum?

This is mostly useless, for a number of reasons.

First of all, it's pretty tame and slow. If all you've got is one question, that is more or less waiting for a general explanation from someone, you should probably branch out more in the meantime. Ideally asking him something more insightful would be even better, though in this particular case getting insightful answers out of him is going to be difficult.

Secondly, "Why are you not scum?" is a meaningless question. It's vague, generic, and lazy; they're not going to have a good reason why they're not scum until you explain why they would be scum, meaning you may as well skip it and directly ask why he's doing scummy things or not doing townie things instead.

Plus, if you don't actually have anything he should or shouldn't be doing, it's basically a halfassed way to give him a trick question in order to lynch him regardless of answer, which is an obvious scum move.


As an example, how about you answer the same question? zomara, why aren't you scum? Do you think your answer to this question is helping me understand whether you're scum or not? Did you have to refer to earlier posts to figure out what the hell I even mean?

[Dr.Phibes]

Sorry guys! I am on a vacation, and i thought i would have access to internet the whole time... But no. Well i have just for today and maybe tomarrow. Will come home on thursday. Wanted you all to know, again i am sorry. Going to check what everyone have written the time i was gone. 

[zomara0292]

Spoiler: In oh so many words: "You asked a horrid question." (click to show/hide)

zomara:

Dariush, can you please, for the sake of me being able to have a better understanding, explain to me why you are not a scum?

This is mostly useless, for a number of reasons.

First of all, it's pretty tame and slow. If all you've got is one question, that is more or less waiting for a general explanation from someone, you should probably branch out more in the meantime. Ideally asking him something more insightful would be even better, though in this particular case getting insightful answers out of him is going to be difficult.

Secondly, "Why are you not scum?" is a meaningless question. It's vague, generic, and lazy; they're not going to have a good reason why they're not scum until you explain why they would be scum, meaning you may as well skip it and directly ask why he's doing scummy things or not doing townie things instead.

Plus, if you don't actually have anything he should or shouldn't be doing, it's basically a halfassed way to give him a trick question in order to lynch him regardless of answer, which is an obvious scum move.


As an example, how about you answer the same question? zomara, why aren't you scum? Do you think your answer to this question is helping me understand whether you're scum or not? Did you have to refer to earlier posts to figure out what the hell I even mean?

OK then, lets try asking this again.
Dariush, why did you vote on Painiac being lynched before?

IronyOwl , is this a better question? Or am I still missing the point?
Also, was one of those questions at the end really a question or a point you were trying to make?

[IronyOwl]

zomara:

OK then, lets try asking this again.
Dariush, why did you vote on Painiac being lynched before?

IronyOwl , is this a better question? Or am I still missing the point?
Also, was one of those questions at the end really a question or a point you were trying to make?

Yes, much better.

Both. I'd like to hear your answers on them, but more for your benefit than mine.

[zomara0292]

zomara:
As an example, how about you answer the same question? zomara, why aren't you scum?

I can't answer that question in a way that wont instantly point to me being scum because of the fact that any way I answer that question, the details of it can be called into question. Those questions, of which,  I can give evidence for, but doing so would go against the rules of the game. Specifically:

Never quote your role PM or any other PM sent to you by the mod.

. . . . . I see what you mean now.

zomara:
Do you think your answer to this question is helping me understand whether you're scum or not?

No. Its a completely biased question by its in game nature.

zomara:
Did you have to refer to earlier posts to figure out what the hell I even mean?

No, but I did refer to earlier posts just to come up with the one I did afterwards.

[borno]

Strategia,

You think mcfry is scum but you vote Strategia? Why? Strategia just asking questions. Feels like we will regret voting on him :/

Why?

I see this as a chainsaw defence done by Dr.Phibes, and then a quickly-made cover-up by you. Tell me, Strategia, are you voting for Dr.Phibes just because he is making no sense with his writings? Or is it because he is a bad scumbuddy?

[borno]

EBWOP:

Unvote, Vote Strategia.

[Think0028]

Don't worry, you don't have to explicitly unvote. Just vote and I'll handle the rest.

[Think0028]

Votecount!

Dr.Phibes [2]: Strategia, Dariush
Dariush [3]: MagmaMcFry, Dr.Phibes, zomara0292
zomara0292 [1]: Irony Owl
Strategia [1]: borno

Day ends Monday, today!
Man! Is anyone else playing Dai-3-Ji Ultra Mecha Combat P4 Hakaihen? I've been playing it for the last week and it's been amazing!

No? Anyone heard of it? No? Aww...

[Strategia]

Strategia,

I see this as a chainsaw defence done by Dr.Phibes, and then a quickly-made cover-up by you. Tell me, Strategia, are you voting for Dr.Phibes just because he is making no sense with his writings? Or is it because he is a bad scumbuddy?

Take a good look at the thread. Re-read the posts Phibes and I posted. Where have we ever agreed on..... well, anything? I've wanted Phibes gone since before the end of D1. He's non-constructive, vague and disinterested, and doesn't appear to care much about the game. In the quote, I just asked Phibes why he thought voting me was a regrettable decision - it's a weird and out-of-place thing to say. I just wanted him to give his reason for saying that, which is quite literally what you do in Mafia.

Even if he was my scumbuddy, why the hell would I want to get rid of him? There's only two scum total in this game, and with two town kills, one of whom's the cop, scum has a rather advantageous position. Besides, why would scum ever want to get rid of other scum, outside of bussing a suspicious scumbuddy who's under heavy fire?

[Dr.Phibes]

Ironyowl, I am starting to suspect Zomora. It feels Zomora is using i am noob to much and the miss quote feels intentionally.

Borno, what did you expect Strategia to answer on that question?

zomara, you could have pressured anyone and yet you jumped directly on a bandwagon. What made Dariush scummier than me? Beacuse you clearly said you had a choice between one of ous. He, an IC and me a newbie that cant spell and yet you take my side, why? Do you have any grounds on your vote except pressure and the fact hes a dick? Felt like you just randomly choose wich bandwagon to join.
Yes you can call me Phibes!

zomara, what made you jump on the Dariush bandwagon, other than his colourful language?

Pressure. Pressure to make a vote instead of waiting on solid information, of which I am not learning how to hunt for, and the fact that there was a bandwagon for him. it was honestly a choice (to me) between him and Phibes (still hasn't answered my question or whether or not he is OK with me calling him that.), of which I made at random. But I digress. Back to the questioning.

Dariush, can you please, for the sake of me being able to have a better understanding, explain to me why you are not a scum?

[zomara0292]

. . . Felt like you just randomly choose wich bandwagon to join. . .

zomara, what made you jump on the Dariush bandwagon, other than his colourful language?

. . .
it was honestly a choice . . . of which I made at random. . .

Just for the sake of it. . . I think I did chose at random

[borno]

Borno, what did you expect Strategia to answer on that question?

Mostly for him to sum up why he is voting for you, and partly because it's like RVS for me. I still need to learn things about your strategy, because I have just been thrown into the game without any knowledge of the people I'm playing with. It would be much easier to ask questions myself instead of re-reading the thread until I understand how you play.

Strategia,

I see this as a chainsaw defence done by Dr.Phibes, and then a quickly-made cover-up by you. Tell me, Strategia, are you voting for Dr.Phibes just because he is making no sense with his writings? Or is it because he is a bad scumbuddy?

Take a good look at the thread. Re-read the posts Phibes and I posted. Where have we ever agreed on..... well, anything? I've wanted Phibes gone since before the end of D1. He's non-constructive, vague and disinterested, and doesn't appear to care much about the game. In the quote, I just asked Phibes why he thought voting me was a regrettable decision - it's a weird and out-of-place thing to say. I just wanted him to give his reason for saying that, which is quite literally what you do in Mafia.

Even if he was my scumbuddy, why the hell would I want to get rid of him? There's only two scum total in this game, and with two town kills, one of whom's the cop, scum has a rather advantageous position. Besides, why would scum ever want to get rid of other scum, outside of bussing a suspicious scumbuddy who's under heavy fire?

You could be getting rid of him because most people find him very scummy, and voting for him would get suspicions off of you. Other then that, I find this plausible.

Unvote, Vote zomara. Zomara, why are you always using your newbie-ness as an excuse? Wouldn't it be better to defend yourself directly rather then trying to mix up noobtells with scumtells?