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Author Topic: When Kickstarter goes wrong?  (Read 680592 times)

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Re: When Kickstarter goes wrong?
« Reply #1635 on: August 07, 2012, 04:31:03 pm »




The problem with this stuff has never been that existed at all, but the ubiquity. In video games, it's damn near impossible to find a non-scantily clad woman. Card games... I dunno, since I'm not really into them. Either way, I wouldn't single out individual examples as "bad" but rather point to the industry as a whole as being dumb and catering to a small portion of their audience.
Not really, actually not at all. There are plenty of decently dressed female characters, its just that the "OHSOEVILBOOBARMORIDONTEVENHAVETOEQUIP" gets blown out of proportion.
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Waaaahhh? One is quantifiable in just about every major video game.

The other seems to be something you've cooked up off a specific example.

If we're talking about in-game immersion and sensibility, almost nothing compares to the absurdity of titty guards.
I always felt like it's an equilibrium, but I haven't played or know about every game in existence. I'm speaking from personal experience, and from my personal experience I feel like there's an equilibrium. On the immersion thing, maybe it IS just me, I guess I can take a whole lot of bullshit before my suspension of disbelief is broken.
Also, the term "titty guards" may be the best damn thing said in this entire thread.
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Re: When Kickstarter goes wrong?
« Reply #1636 on: August 07, 2012, 05:02:57 pm »

Also, the term "titty guards" may be the best damn thing said in this entire thread.
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Re: When Kickstarter goes wrong?
« Reply #1637 on: August 07, 2012, 05:16:12 pm »

Also, the term "titty guards" may be the best damn thing said in this entire thread.
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If I could put images in signatures I would.
Also, to stay some what on topic THATS what people were complaining about when they about  chainmail bikini. I thought people were complaining about stuff like this.
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I guess I was wrong, even with out "STOPCRIMINAL" that pic looks ridiculous.
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Re: When Kickstarter goes wrong?
« Reply #1638 on: August 07, 2012, 05:34:52 pm »

No that's actually tasteful and well....practical.

The hideous Oblivion booby thing is what I'm sick of. So games like Bayonetta, Chick-with-Huge-Tits-And-A-Chainsaw-Whatever, ect.... despite what people may say about "empowering women", still seems like a bottom of the barrel approach to getting your base interested. Would Bayonetta have even made a dent in things were it not for the over the top sexuality? Probably. But we'll never really know.

Maybe this just makes me weird, but I don't play video games to be sexually aroused. I have plenty of other outlets for that. So I get annoyed when developers seem to think that's what I want, all day, every day. At least Skyrim took a straight-laced approach for the most part.
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Re: When Kickstarter goes wrong?
« Reply #1639 on: August 07, 2012, 05:50:16 pm »

Would Bayonetta have even made a dent in things were it not for the over the top sexuality? Probably. But we'll never really know.

Funnily enough, the fanservice was actually the worst part of that game, since the mechanics and controls were airtight and perfectly responsive.
They could have cut all the gratuitous sexuality and it likely would have sold even better if it was marketed on the mechanics and not the character.

In fact, the fanservice is so blatant it's basically a parody of itself and becomes humorous.

Maybe this just makes me weird, but I don't play video games to be sexually aroused. I have plenty of other outlets for that. So I get annoyed when developers seem to think that's what I want, all day, every day.

I will agree with you there, If you want to be aroused there is already readily available material for that and it doesn't need to pervade all other mediums, and putting it in turns off all mature adults who judge things on more than just T&A appeal.
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Re: When Kickstarter goes wrong?
« Reply #1640 on: August 07, 2012, 07:49:09 pm »

Still, sexual arousal does have a place in games. Just, not in every game. And should be packaged with a nice game around with, probably like a visual novel, instead of just "SEX!".

It's annoying how it invades other genres, cos it totally ruins the point of empowering women. If more then ten guys are masturbating at your female protagonist, you're doing it wrong. More then ten, because some people just masturbate at anything.

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Re: When Kickstarter goes wrong?
« Reply #1641 on: August 07, 2012, 07:59:37 pm »

More then ten, because some people just masturbate at anything.
He's right. I remember this one time...

Anyway, I still classify this in the same area as those face card decks with sexy women on them. The game is basic, but the artwork is... ahem, intended to be interesting. As such, I'd classify it as sotfcore porn, which is against Kickstarter's rules. Were it up to me there wouldn't be a rule against porn either, but still.




I thought people were complaining about stuff like this.
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I have nothing wrong with the outfit there, but the pose is obviously a bit sexualized. B+ for outfit, D- for pose.

I want to see a lot more stuff like this:
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Zero sexualization, pose that portrays something other than "I want to bone you," still looks badass, and (moderately) practical.
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Re: When Kickstarter goes wrong?
« Reply #1642 on: August 07, 2012, 08:02:59 pm »

More then ten, because some people just masturbate at anything.
He's right. I remember this one time...

Anyway, I still classify this in the same area as those face card decks with sexy women on them. The game is basic, but the artwork is... ahem, intended to be interesting. As such, I'd classify it as sotfcore porn, which is against Kickstarter's rules. Were it up to me there wouldn't be a rule against porn either, but still.




I thought people were complaining about stuff like this.
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I have nothing wrong with the outfit there, but the pose is obviously a bit sexualized. B+ for outfit, D- for pose.

I want to see a lot more stuff like this:
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Zero sexualization, pose that portrays something other than "I want to bone you," still looks badass, and (moderately) practical.
You realize i see that last pic as sort of a "innocent" pose :P
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Re: When Kickstarter goes wrong?
« Reply #1643 on: August 07, 2012, 08:06:48 pm »

I could go on and on about how dead you'd be if you tried anything, and how that pose communicates something non-sexual if one's played the game fully, but this isn't the "Kai gushes about his favorite video games" thread. :P
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Re: When Kickstarter goes wrong?
« Reply #1645 on: August 07, 2012, 08:27:49 pm »

Well, back on topic:
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/abbeton/crazy-chins-app-mask-kits-hilarity?ref=category
i totally want those just for the pure fact i will be ostracized using them in public.

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Re: When Kickstarter goes wrong?
« Reply #1646 on: August 07, 2012, 08:43:38 pm »

Well, back on topic:
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/abbeton/crazy-chins-app-mask-kits-hilarity?ref=category

Wait wait wait waitwaitwait

9 pledges.
$871

People are paying $91 for this shit?
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Re: When Kickstarter goes wrong?
« Reply #1647 on: August 07, 2012, 08:45:37 pm »

Well, back on topic:
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/abbeton/crazy-chins-app-mask-kits-hilarity?ref=category

Wait wait wait waitwaitwait

9 pledges.
$871

People are paying $91 for this shit?
actually looking through the list, some guy forked up more than $300 for their retailer package.....

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Re: When Kickstarter goes wrong?
« Reply #1648 on: August 07, 2012, 08:46:34 pm »

actually looking through the list, some guy forked up more than $300 for their retailer package.....

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Re: When Kickstarter goes wrong?
« Reply #1649 on: August 07, 2012, 09:02:16 pm »

Well, back on topic:
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/abbeton/crazy-chins-app-mask-kits-hilarity?ref=category

Ah, finally, a successful rerailer.

That bulldog mask is genuinely frightening.

EDIT: Not to say the rest aren't. They all are. The bulldog one is the one that's just so horrible, I'm gonna have nightmares.
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