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[k33n]

Sheb... did not mention religion at all in the post you quoted.

He called an anti-religious group racist because of the religion they protest against. This is in line with the progressive vs liberal thing I was getting at earlier.

[Antsan]

The term "racist" may technically be about race, but it is used interchangeably with "xenophobia" now. That may not be correct, but acting as if this kind of misuse of the word was indicative of the speakers ideals is questionable at best.

[k33n]

The term "racist" may technically be about race, but it is used interchangeably with "xenophobia" now. That may not be correct, but acting as if this kind of misuse of the word was indicative of the speakers ideals is questionable at best.

Yes, and this is exactly in line with Islamist and theocratic theory, thus my question. It is brutally destructive to the left I hold dear to keep doing it so I risk being called far-right all the time by calling it as it is.

[Rolan7]

The term "racist" may technically be about race, but it is used interchangeably with "xenophobia" now. That may not be correct, but acting as if this kind of misuse of the word was indicative of the speakers ideals is questionable at best.

That's terrible and should be called out...  It should be safe to call it out.
There's such a massive difference between racism and disapproving of regressive elements in a culture.

[Arx]

Wait, are you calling xenophobia 'disapproving of regressive elements in a culture'?

[Antsan]

The term "racist" may technically be about race, but it is used interchangeably with "xenophobia" now. That may not be correct, but acting as if this kind of misuse of the word was indicative of the speakers ideals is questionable at best.

Yes, and this is exactly in line with Islamist and theocratic theory, thus my question. It is brutally destructive to the left I hold dear to keep doing it so I risk being called far-right all the time by calling it as it is.

Uhm… What?

Your argument is basically: Sheb used the word "racist" wrong, thus what he said could be interpreted as something an Islamist could say and thus he's an Islamist?
Or what is it? Do you seriously believe that Sheb thinks religion is linked to what people wrongly call "race"? No, you don't. You're just nitpicking, and you're doing it wrong.

I don't know whether you count into this demographic, but my memory of your activity here strongly suggests so: This is exactly the kind of behavior that often is loudly complained about by people who are raving about evil SJWs and feminists who are seeking to dominate all men. Twisting around words only because they're used wrong. It's despicable behavior, no matter who does it.
If this was a simple misunderstanding due to the wrongly used language, fine, but the assumption that Sheb would be Islamist is just ridiculous.

The term "racist" may technically be about race, but it is used interchangeably with "xenophobia" now. That may not be correct, but acting as if this kind of misuse of the word was indicative of the speakers ideals is questionable at best.

That's terrible and should be called out...  It should be safe to call it out.
There's such a massive difference between racism and disapproving of regressive elements in a culture.

Yeah, misuse of words should be called out, that's right, but that's not what k33n did.
But there's someone else who did:

Wait, are you calling xenophobia 'disapproving of regressive elements in a culture'?

[k33n]

Your argument is basically: Sheb used the word "racist" wrong, thus what he said could be interpreted as something an Islamist could say and thus he's an Islamist?
Or what is it? Do you seriously believe that Sheb thinks religion is linked to what people wrongly call "race"? No, you don't. You're just nitpicking, and you're doing it wrong.

It actually is not nitpicking when it is the heart and soul of his entire argument. Criticism of fascist ideas has become "racist". Racist is an extremely powerful word, very loaded with connotations. I did not call him an Islamist, I asked if he was one, because his language is as such that needs clarification. Because he should realize that viewing religion as a race is an extreme far-right stance and is a critical part of Islamist theory. By do so he is literally playing into the hands of theocracy.

I don't feel particularly obligated to explain this to you, as you have already - as predicted - degenerated into calling me an anti-femenist far-righter.

Have a good day.

[Sheb]

No, I'm a catholic atheist.

[k33n]

No, I'm a catholic atheist.

Then why do you view anti-religious protests as racist?

[Antsan]

Your argument is basically: Sheb used the word "racist" wrong, thus what he said could be interpreted as something an Islamist could say and thus he's an Islamist?
Or what is it? Do you seriously believe that Sheb thinks religion is linked to what people wrongly call "race"? No, you don't. You're just nitpicking, and you're doing it wrong.

It actually is not nitpicking when it is the heart and soul of his entire argument. Criticism of fascist ideas has become "racist". Racist is an extremely powerful word, very loaded with connotations. I did not call him an Islamist, I asked if he was one, because his language is as such that needs clarification. Because he should realize that viewing religion as a race is an extreme far-right stance and is a critical part of Islamist theory. By do so he is literally playing into the hands of theocracy.

Where did Sheb call criticism of fascist ideas racist? What the heck?

I don't feel particularly obligated to explain this to you, as you have already - as predicted - degenerated into calling me an anti-femenist far-righter.

Have a good day.

Well, I did so because you obviously seem to have a need to argue that Sheb is somehow Islamist just because… I don't even know. Because he opposes Pegida and calls them racist when they're more accurately generally xenophobic instead? Because he assumed Covenant might belong to the same subculture because he obviously saw him using the exact same arguments as they do to justify their xenophobia?
Seriously, why do you expect anyone not to assume you're far-right?

No, I'm a catholic atheist.

Then why do you view anti-religious protests as racist?

Dude! The fuck? Are you trolling?

[Sheb]

Then why do you view anti-religious protests as racist?

I don't?

[k33n]

When I see a group such as Pegida that only start to give a shit the moment they can blame an Arab for it,

[TD1]

He didn't call anti-religious protests racist. He said Pediga only starts to care when there's an Arab behind something. Seems based more on culture/country to me.

[Rolepgeek]

I'mma ask right now that people don't use Islamist.

Adding -ist unnecessarily to things to make them into positions, particularly positions that are implied by that suffix to be evil (AND WHEN THERE'S A PERFECTLY GOOD EXISTING WORD TO USE) is not appropriate debate tactics.

I suppose I should ask this of everyone here; what would you have to see to change your mind? Everyone here, mind you. If the answer is "nothing could possibly do that" or "well I already know the facts so that question's pointless", I recommend you take a second look at your position.

Also, as far as I know, he doesn't view religion as a race, he views it as heavily correlated with race. In this case, that's very true. And thus, anti-Islam protests can easily degenerate into, turn out to be, or be intensified by anti-Middle Easterner sentiment.

Furthermore, beliefs can change, but you typically don't control what you believe. What you profess to believe, how you act, yeah, you choose all those. "Man can indeed do what he wants, but he cannot will what he wants." Religion has to be changed, which usually takes both external and internal influence, from what (little) I know.

[k33n]

He didn't call anti-religious protests racist. He said Pediga only starts to care when there's an Arab behind something. Seems based more on culture/country to me.

If that isn't an accusation of racism towards those reacting against religious violence I do not know what is.