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Author Topic: Calm and Cool Progressive Discussion Thread  (Read 1285943 times)

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Re: Calm and Cool Progressive Discussion Thread
« Reply #7350 on: August 13, 2013, 06:25:01 am »

1. It's genetic, but a lot of things can be modified by environment.
2. So we are going to listen to every majority and the majority has no say? Alright then. All the people who post on bay12 under the name kingfisher1112 are oppressed! Screw you democracy, I deserve a palace!
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4. GOOGLE SEARCH. GOOGLE SEARCH!
1. This is true. But it doesn't change the fact that providing support to young homosexuals isn't a gay conspiracy to convert the masses. But hey, lets assume it was. So what? Who cares? Do you have a problem with gays?
2. We are going to listen, defiantly. That is the point. Even when I don't like what you are saying, I will let you say it. Heck I will even fight for your right to say it. The majority still get their say, but it needs to be balanced.
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4. Ok, go google search then. Come back when you have evidence of your claims. Off you go now!
1. I have a problem with conversion.
2. It does, but the current situation does not work on either side.
4. http://www.queerty.com/gay-americans-are-wealthier-better-educated-than-straights-who-wouldnt-want-to-be-a-homosexual-20101111/
Welp?
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Re: Calm and Cool Progressive Discussion Thread
« Reply #7351 on: August 13, 2013, 06:26:53 am »

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Quite a few people in Bay12 have previously posted about how women are incredibly interested in gay men on the point that they are gay men
... That in no way suggests anything to do with propaganda thats just some peoples opinion. Peoples voicing their opinion is not propaganda. Its not event the gays that are saying that. If you dont like the fact that some women like gay men, deal with it. Dont try to pass it off as propaganda.

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From personal experience, I can back that up.

What?

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Also, seriously, just google " Gay parents are better parents" and you'll likely come up with a wealth of responses.

If you google the opposite, you get more results. Should we ban hetrosexual "propaganda" too, In order to "provides a neutral environment"? (ironically, going off the google hits suggests an enviroment in favour oh hetrosexuality, not homosexuality) Also: (Max White also covered what I am implying on his 4th point)

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Plus show me one group of significant influence

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It's genetic
Why is this even relevant to anything?

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GOOGLE SEARCH. GOOGLE SEARCH!
I am assuming that if searching "Gay parents are better parents" gets hits implies gay propaganda, then searching "Straight parents are better parents" and getting hits also implies straight propaganda?
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Re: Calm and Cool Progressive Discussion Thread
« Reply #7352 on: August 13, 2013, 06:28:14 am »

This scientific study goes against my prejudices therefore it is propaganda.
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Re: Calm and Cool Progressive Discussion Thread
« Reply #7353 on: August 13, 2013, 06:29:14 am »

A news article that extracts data from a census is not propaganda. So homosexuals are better educated and harder working than heterosexuals? Correlation is not causation.

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Re: Calm and Cool Progressive Discussion Thread
« Reply #7354 on: August 13, 2013, 06:30:18 am »

1. I have a problem with conversion.
2. It does, but the current situation does not work on either side.
4. http://www.queerty.com/gay-americans-are-wealthier-better-educated-than-straights-who-wouldnt-want-to-be-a-homosexual-20101111/
Welp?
Α) You have a problem with letting people make an informed choice for themselves? Why?
Β) What about homosexuality doesn't work for the majority of people? How does a person loving somebody of the same gender hurt anybody?
Γ) Can you now provide accurate data to disprove this article?

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Re: Calm and Cool Progressive Discussion Thread
« Reply #7355 on: August 13, 2013, 06:32:24 am »

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I have a problem with conversion

Good, then dont convert.

4. http://www.queerty.com/gay-americans-are-wealthier-better-educated-than-straights-who-wouldnt-want-to-be-a-homosexual-20101111/
Welp?

Thats the problem with vague propaganda laws. Instead of logically/scientifically debunking the study, the study is just outright banned. It is simply assumed by default to be false/harmful.
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This is when I imagine the hilarity which may happen if certain things are glichy. Such as targeting your own body parts to eat.

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Re: Calm and Cool Progressive Discussion Thread
« Reply #7356 on: August 13, 2013, 06:40:17 am »

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Quite a few people in Bay12 have previously posted about how women are incredibly interested in gay men on the point that they are gay men
... That in no way suggests anything to do with propaganda thats just some peoples opinion. Peoples voicing their opinion is not propaganda. Its not event the gays that are saying that. If you dont like the fact that some women like gay men, deal with it. Dont try to pass it off as propaganda.

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From personal experience, I can back that up.

What?

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Also, seriously, just google " Gay parents are better parents" and you'll likely come up with a wealth of responses.

If you google the opposite, you get more results. Should we ban hetrosexual "propaganda" too, In order to "provides a neutral environment"? (ironically, going off the google hits suggests an enviroment in favour oh hetrosexuality, not homosexuality) Also: (Max White also covered what I am implying on his 4th point)

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Plus show me one group of significant influence

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It's genetic
Why is this even relevant to anything?

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GOOGLE SEARCH. GOOGLE SEARCH!
I am assuming that if searching "Gay parents are better parents" gets hits implies gay propaganda, then searching "Straight parents are better parents" and getting hits also implies straight propaganda?
The laws are about minors for a reason. Heterosexuality is the norm for a reason, and there is now no need to ban heterosexual propaganda. They have no propaganda to fight against. And even then it's not a war of straight v gay it is one of influencing young people's sexuality. I realise now I've been going way off track with my argument, but basically, the laws are to protect minors. They will do a good job of that.
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I have a problem with conversion

Good, then dont convert.
Or maybe stop people trying to influence conversion?
1. I have a problem with conversion.
2. It does, but the current situation does not work on either side.
4. http://www.queerty.com/gay-americans-are-wealthier-better-educated-than-straights-who-wouldnt-want-to-be-a-homosexual-20101111/
Welp?
Α) You have a problem with letting people make an informed choice for themselves? Why?
Β) What about homosexuality doesn't work for the majority of people? How does a person loving somebody of the same gender hurt anybody?
Γ) Can you now provide accurate data to disprove this article?
1. Haven't we established it's genetic but influenced by environment? That's the thing. It ain't a choice, and it shouldn't be a thing trying to influence young development.
2. You're exactly right. It doesn't hurt anybody, thus why it ain't a criminal offence to be gay.
4. Not now. Maybe later, when I can be bothered. Prepping a reply for 3+ people ain't easy work.
Ah screw it. I'm out of effort. Goodbye.
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Re: Calm and Cool Progressive Discussion Thread
« Reply #7357 on: August 13, 2013, 06:45:36 am »

Damn... Why is it that unless you actually take the king it is still a tie? Can't we give credit to why ever forces the stalemate? No? Fuck it I'm playing Scrabble next time.

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Re: Calm and Cool Progressive Discussion Thread
« Reply #7358 on: August 13, 2013, 06:47:51 am »

It's more like kingfisher refused to set up his pieces, preventing the game from starting at all.
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Re: Calm and Cool Progressive Discussion Thread
« Reply #7359 on: August 13, 2013, 06:49:51 am »

It's a deflection and not really worth addressing at all ("Well they're bad, but the fact that other people are worse means we should ignore that they're bad").  Apart from the bolded part which is just wrong - the UK Olympics certainly helped boost the government's flagging popularity, for instance.
That's the whole idea. The Olympics is a way for a country to boost popularity, and do fuck all for its people. Everyone loves the Olympics but the country that's hosting it. The 2004 Olympics were exemplified by Greece's overspending and corruption, and sparked an entire country's bankruptcy. In 2008 millions were displaced and people protesting disappeared, but at least we all got to watch some fancy CGI. In 2012, the UK saw its largest militarization since WWII with civilian houses being used as military installations, and the nation with the most cameras decided it needed not only more cameras, but a smarter integrated system that allowed for individual tracking of persons. The year we lived in was copyrighted and marketed out, the homeless disappeared and were used as labour all the while the speakers across the city blared inescapable poetry. It was overbudgeted and debted us a wonderful £9B, where it was supposed to provide increased tourism and rental business income it only achieved to deter people from abroad. And then the ticket revenue went to the IOC. The 2016 ones haven't even begun and already it's looking terrible with the Brazilians rioting because somehow all of their public industries have no funding when the Olympics does.

It is fucking shit, why do you hold it to be some paragon of virtue when it's corrupt to the core and encourages treating its own competitors as subhumans.
It used to be about sportsmanship, and now it is only about achievement. So much so that those athletes who have suffered nothing less than child abuse their whole lives, only to fail at the last moment often kill themselves for the shame of having come second.

Oh and it's not a deflection, I'm just puzzled as to why people are boycotting Russian vodka or slamming them whilst happily consuming $3.5B of goods from Malaysia and Saudi Arabia with much worse policies. Yeah, yeah, starving children in Africa, but why does Russia earn all this special attention in the face of brutal treatment? At least it's commonly known people starve in Africa. This is one of the first time I've seen some big media spectacle and many small businesses uniting to boycott an entire country's goods over human rights issues. And really, I'm just questioning the validity of the activism, in that it should be inclusive of these other far worse laws held up by other countries.

Seriously though, fuck the Olympics.

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Re: Calm and Cool Progressive Discussion Thread
« Reply #7360 on: August 13, 2013, 06:51:17 am »

I'm still not sure who you think is "influencing" gay children to continue to be gay. If anything, the influence is overwhelmingly toward forcing kids to be straight. Especially when parents get involved.

I would like to see one - just one - organization known for converting kids to homosexuality (as opposed to those in the links above).
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« Reply #7361 on: August 13, 2013, 06:52:11 am »

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The laws are about minors for a reason. Heterosexuality is the norm for a reason, and there is now no need to ban heterosexual propaganda. They have no propaganda to fight against. And even then it's not a war of straight v gay it is one of influencing young people's sexuality. I realise now I've been going way off track with my argument, but basically, the laws are to protect minors. They will do a good job of that.

Simply not being the norm does not make it harmful. Is homosexuality actually harmful to minors?

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Or maybe stop people trying to influence conversion?

People do it all the time (particularly for religion. Infact, they are famous for it). Why is homosexuality a special case?
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« Reply #7362 on: August 13, 2013, 06:53:26 am »

1. I have a problem with conversion.
2. It does, but the current situation does not work on either side.
4. http://www.queerty.com/gay-americans-are-wealthier-better-educated-than-straights-who-wouldnt-want-to-be-a-homosexual-20101111/
Welp?
Α) You have a problem with letting people make an informed choice for themselves? Why?

Wait, what? This point is bizarre.

As a rule(or disclaimer?), I have no problem with homosexuals. I have had several gay friends in the past, all of whom I have gotten along fine with. As far as I knew, their sexuality wasn't something they could help, so what right would I have to judge them because of it? Acceptance doesn't make it the ideal situation, however. Oh well, I got past it.
Now, you're telling me these people, whom I have had great respect for, "made a choice" to be homosexual? ???

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Re: Calm and Cool Progressive Discussion Thread
« Reply #7363 on: August 13, 2013, 06:55:46 am »

Right, I see.  I'm not really saying the IOC an an organization is good in any way, or that it doesn't fuck up the people living near its events.  Rather, that the Olympics usually have a positive effect on the popularity and legitimacy of the government that's hosting them, and that we shouldn't hand such an effect to a government that is making things worse and worse for gay people.
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« Reply #7364 on: August 13, 2013, 06:59:49 am »

I vaguely remember the 2000 Olympics. Reactions were a mix of 'SPORTSPORTSPORTSPORTS!!!!' and 'You know we could build that desperately needed infrastructure for this cost...'
A lot more of the prior.

Yea, the Olympics arn't the best use of resources, but if we are going to anyway, it should at least have some better standards.

Wait, what? This point is bizarre.

As a rule(or disclaimer?), I have no problem with homosexuals. I have had several gay friends in the past, all of whom I have gotten along fine with. As far as I knew, their sexuality wasn't something they could help, so what right would I have to judge them because of it? Acceptance doesn't make it the ideal situation, however. Oh well, I got past it.
Now, you're telling me these people, whom I have had great respect for, "made a choice" to be homosexual? ???

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No, I don't think it is a choice at all. And I don't think turning people gay is as easy as letting them know that homosexuality exists and is normal and deserves equal rights, like most advocates in Russia. I think homosexuality is just like heterosexuality, as much as being right handed is just like being left handed. They are different, but functionally identical.

I just like following peoples trail of logic and seeing where it goes. Just give people all the rope they need to hang themselves. Eventually you sort out the inconsistent from the rational if you keep going.
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