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Re: PoH's Calm and Cool Progressive Discussion Thread
« Reply #4200 on: December 12, 2012, 05:05:25 pm »

Seriously, the least al-Asad could do is be amusing before he dies, like Gaddafi was. But no, he just makes sarin and doesn't afraid of anything.
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Re: PoH's Calm and Cool Progressive Discussion Thread
« Reply #4201 on: December 12, 2012, 06:34:52 pm »

Well, he's killed tens of thousands of people - in 20 years, that'll make for hilarious jokes :P

@NK satellite: I bet shortly before they launch the first proper ICBM (non-armed) there's gonna be a few quiet noises, some NK technicians and scientists dropping dead, and subsequently a palace revolution leading to reforms a la Deng Xiaoping.
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Arguably he's already a progressive, just one in the style of an enlightened Kaiser.
I'm going to do the smart thing here and disengage. This isn't a hill I paticularly care to die on.

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« Reply #4202 on: December 12, 2012, 06:41:04 pm »

Now that Kim Jong Un has a satellite, all the 3rd World dictators are going to want one. Mugabe, Chavez, Castro, ummm...that guy in Belarus?

Dang, the last few years have seriously depleted the "Colorful 3rd World Dictator" pool.
Chevez is no dictator, and doesn't belong lumped in with Mugabe. Look at all the economic and social statistics under Chavez, they're going forwards since he was elected, not backwards. He's certainly a LOT better than many other elected leaders. but I don't see you labeling every other elected leader as a dictator.

Don't be a patsy for right-wing propaganda, RedKing, you're better than that. Back up what you say with credible sources.
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Re: PoH's Calm and Cool Progressive Discussion Thread
« Reply #4203 on: December 12, 2012, 06:44:41 pm »

Now that Kim Jong Un has a satellite, all the 3rd World dictators are going to want one. Mugabe, Chavez, Castro, ummm...that guy in Belarus?

Dang, the last few years have seriously depleted the "Colorful 3rd World Dictator" pool.
Chevez is no dictator, and doesn't belong lumped in with Mugabe. Look at all the economic and social statistics under Chavez, they're going forwards since he was elected, not backwards.

Lumping him in with them is basically letting the right-wing propaganda fuck you in the ass.
Silly reelya, Right-wing propaganda never fucks you in the ASS. That's GAY. They Fuck your girlfriend.
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Re: PoH's Calm and Cool Progressive Discussion Thread
« Reply #4204 on: December 12, 2012, 06:46:18 pm »

Now that Kim Jong Un has a satellite, all the 3rd World dictators are going to want one. Mugabe, Chavez, Castro, ummm...that guy in Belarus?

Dang, the last few years have seriously depleted the "Colorful 3rd World Dictator" pool.
Chevez is no dictator, and doesn't belong lumped in with Mugabe. Look at all the economic and social statistics under Chavez, they're going forwards since he was elected, not backwards.

Lumping him in with them is basically letting the right-wing propaganda fuck you in the ass.
Silly reelya, Right-wing propaganda never fucks you in the ASS. That's GAY. They Fuck your girlfriend.
Naah, they make you fuck them, cause if you're not with them you must be gay. (Totally not armored closet :P )
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« Reply #4205 on: December 12, 2012, 07:04:28 pm »

Well, just need to look at statistics before and after Chavez's 12 years. 12 years should be enough of a time-period to determine how well he's done?

Inflation when he was elected ~ 35%, right now 18%. They blame Chavez for high inflation, without giving you the historical; figures.

Poverty before - 54% of the population below the poverty line, now it's about 25%.

Yeah, there are shortages in shops, but that's because demand has skyrocketed due to the previously-starving masses now able to buy stuff. Food production has actually faster than population growth, but consumption has increased even quicker. They just tell you "food shortages" in the news articles, without giving you historical context.

This article below gives some context, plus graphs directly linked from World Bank figures. e.g. from 1986 to 1999, when Chavez was elected, total cereal production actually declined in Venezuela, but since Chavez's election, it's doubled.

There are other stats, which taken without context can be made to look bad, e.g. the percentage of GDP made up by manufacturing since Chavez's election has fallen from 23% to 14%. That means manufacturing output is lower, right. Wrong! Because total GDP (inflation adjusted, compared to US dollars, etc) grew by 300% during that time period, so the 14% is 14% of something 4 times the size of before, so the manufacturing sector is 2.5 as large as before, or 150% growth in the 12 year period.
 
http://venezuelanalysis.com/analysis/7513

Here's Mark Weisbrot of the center for economic research in Washington's 10 year report on Venezuela:

http://venezuelanalysis.com/indicators/2009
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« Reply #4206 on: December 12, 2012, 07:57:25 pm »

I'm going to assume that your "is no dictator, and doesn't belong lumped in with Mugabe" were actually different claims, and you're only bothering to argue the second one because the first one is obvious it needs no argument. :P
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« Reply #4207 on: December 12, 2012, 08:00:39 pm »

Actually, He has cancer, and it just resurfaced, so he may not even be on that list to argue about. http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/12/12/us-venezuela-chavez-idUSBRE8BB0XY20121212
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Re: PoH's Calm and Cool Progressive Discussion Thread
« Reply #4208 on: December 12, 2012, 10:38:33 pm »

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« Reply #4209 on: December 12, 2012, 10:41:16 pm »

As if there was any chance that wouldn't happen.
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Re: PoH's Calm and Cool Progressive Discussion Thread
« Reply #4210 on: December 13, 2012, 12:56:29 am »

Well that's not true, it might have flown out of orbit and drifted into outer space
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« Reply #4211 on: December 13, 2012, 01:34:56 am »

I really want to know how they handle failing at everything they do. What kind of shitty scientists does their government employ?
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« Reply #4212 on: December 13, 2012, 01:35:59 am »

What are these "scientists" you speak of?
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« Reply #4213 on: December 13, 2012, 01:40:53 am »

In north Korea, there is only MAGIC MAN.

TODAY MAGIC MAN DISAPPOINT KOREA. HE SHALL BE THROWN OFF A CLIFF.
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« Reply #4214 on: December 13, 2012, 10:48:59 am »

The Bee Gees?
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