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[Sting_Auer]

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Hello fellow Dorf murderers abusers Overseers!

I have been playing around with and studying the latest release, primarily the additions to evil regions. I have attempted fortresses in these regions before, but they have failed miserably.

However, I have decided to contribute to the ‼SCIENCE‼ surrounding the undead and evil regions. I will record my findings as well as the story of my fortress here.


Current ‼SCIENTIFIC‼ findings:

1.) Kitten corpses become cat corpses when reanimated. It is unknown if this applies to all animals. I will have to leave a puppy outside some time and see...

2.) undead birds do fly even if their wings are rotted to the point that the should be unusable.


Entry 1: 15th of Granite, 119, early spring.


I embarked with 2 miners, a woodcutter, a crafter adequate in many skills, a grower/thresher, a butcher/tanner, and a cook/brewer.

As soon as we embarked, it started raining pungent slush, which is the same stuff that rained on my previous two fort attempts. It causes uncontrolled vomiting for a little while, and can kill small creatures such as cats.

EVERYBODY GET YOUR DRUNKEN FANNIES INSIDE



Luckily, everything got inside before anything died or the KIWI CORPSES OF DOOM reached us. I also made a 5 tile long, 1 tile wide entry hallway to make it harder for stuff to get inside.

After everyone was safely in the meeting area, I started digging out an area for agricultural work, such as farms, farmers workshops, kitchens, butchers shops, tanneries, and stills.




As soon as I dig out stockpile rooms (they will be directly above the currently dug out rooms, and be the same size) I will move all the crap from the wagons indoors and make doors from the wagon wood to blockade the entrance hallway.


Entry 2: 16th of Granite, 119, early spring.

OH GOD A KITTEN DIED FROM BLOOD LOSS. It looks like I will need to postpone stockpile rooms and instead make a corpse pit to deal with the dead kitten. It looks like the other one will die soon as well.


Entry 3: 24th of Granite, 119, early spring.

I made a 2 tile deep pit in front of the entrance to my fort with a 1 tile wide walkway in the middle, which I plan to put weapon traps on to make enemies dodge into the zombie pit.



It isn't quite finished, but it's very close to completion. I already threw the kitten corpse into it. The other kitten is still alive, but it does look like it may die any minute now...

Also, I found STONE! HUZZAH! I can make those doors that I desperately need to seal myself off from the zombies and other beasties.


Entry 4: 6th of Slate, 119, Mid-spring.

Apparently, 2 tiles deep isn't enough to keep dorfs from getting scared by zombies in a pit. Crap.

I need to do something about the entrance, because now my farmer refuses to come inside after grabbing seeds even though THE CAT CORPSE CAN'T EVEN PATH TO HIM. I think a temporary ramp to grant direct access to the wagon would be best.


Entry 5: 15th of Slate, 119, mid-spring.

Apparently, I didn't embark with any booze. Not sure how that happened, but I didn't. On the bright side, the murky pools just defrosted, so now my dwarves have something to drink for the time being. A red panda sow corpse chased them around for a pit, but only caused a tiny scratch on my woodcutter before being killed. It re-rises every now and then, but gets killed shortly afterwards. If I could only deal with the cat corpse problem...


Entry 6: 16th of Slate, 119, mid-spring.

OH GOD THE FARMER DIED WE'RE ALL DEAD.


if I don't get my other dwarves inside ASAP, we're all dead. Forget about the main entrance, I'm digging a back door then sealing it off after they get back inside.

ADDITION: The crafter and 1 miner died too now, and the remaining miner decided to take a nap out in the open right after digging the staircase. We are SCREWED if that miner doesn't wake up.


Entry 7: 22nd of Slate, 119, mid-spring.

Somehow, the cook and the remaining miner got inside. Everyone else is dead. I am enabling all labors on these two in order for them to get work done. Hopefully I'll be able to get some of the migrants inside, as it is impossible to populate through reproduction due to the fact that dwarves won't partake in incest.

This is going to be extremely difficult...

ADDITION: Oh my god, the idiot miner ran outside and refuses to come back inside due to the cat corpses THAT HE JUST RAN PAST TO GET OUTSIDE.

Now I'm just left with the cook and a bunch of starving sheep. Good god, this is getting worse and worse. I am abandoning the miner and sticking with the cook. I have enabled all labors except woodcutting and I am trying to get him to throw all the sheep into the pit.


EDIT: Okay, the cook won't pit the animals and a bunch of undead got inside. I realized the miner is doing fine, so I'm having him dig a new fort somewhere else. Again, I will hopefully get some migrants into it as well.

Hello fellow Dorf murderers abusers Overseers!

I have been playing around with and studying the latest release, primarily the additions to evil regions. I have attempted fortresses in these regions before, but they have failed miserably.

However, I have decided to contribute to the ‼SCIENCE‼ surrounding the undead and evil regions. I will catalog the theory, the person who originally brought it forth, and the amount of supporters.


Rules for proving ‼SCIENTIFIC‼ facts:

1.) If three people support an idea, it it classified as fact.

2.) If somebody puts forth evidence of a fact being untrue, then it becomes a theory once more and more testing is required.

3.) If a theory is proven untrue by evidence, it is either removed or added in its inverse form.


Proven ‼SCIENTIFIC‼ information:

1.) Zombie kobolds still have their lock-picking ability and trap-avoid (Broseph Stalin) (Di) (Kilroy the Grand)


‼SCIENTIFIC‼ theories so far:

1.) Child animals become adults when raised. (Sting_Auer) () ()

2.) Undead fliers do fly even if their wings are rotted to the point that the should be unusable. (Sting_Auer) (lilGumanX) ()

3.) Undead fliers can fly even if their wings are REMOVED (Sting_Auer) () ()

4.) Zombies are magma proof. (sjaakwortel) () ()

5.) vermin remains cannot be raised. (Sting_Auer) () ()


Current ‼SCIENTIFIC‼ questions: (Note: Others can confirm these as well!):

1.) Test whether or not all young animals become adults when raised.

2.) See if raised fliers can fly even with their wings removed.

3.) Test the lock-picking ability of zombie kobolds.

4.) Test if zombie animals still ignore elves, and test if zombie elves are still animal immune.

5.) find out what type of damage is best against zombies. (blunt, piercing, slashing, etc.)

6.) Do poison rains affect zombies?

7.) Are the undead immune to fire/lava?



!!SCIENTIFIC!! Tips on fighting the zombie hordes:

1.) Sometimes you should become them to fight them

Pics cuz it happened.

Spoiler: Chamber of Eternity (click to show/hide)

This is the layout, sorry about the miasma I forgot to move the body before I made the well. At the left end in the center of the path there's a well you can't see, underneath it there's a repeating spike on which is impaled the body of a known vampire. The well was filled post-stabbing so it's got all that bloody goodness.

Spoiler: Bucket of Eternity (click to show/hide)

This is what you want to see, if you don't see this when you examine the bucket you didn't get good water and you'll either have to rebuild the well or wait for it to be exhausted and refilled.

Spoiler: End Result (click to show/hide)

After drinking the blood the dwarf will immediately be recognizable as a vampire, they don't seem to be treated any differently for it.

I was going to make another thread about it but the idea of using a tainted well is already all over the place.

2.) warhammers. Other weapons will dismember, then the extra limbs will come to life as well.

3.) Always assume that they will kick your butt unless you attack them perfectly.

4.) Do not let them inside.

5.) If you have let them inside, evacuate if a second person gets killed. Optionally leave a squad behind to attempt a reclaim.

6.) ALWAYS EMBARK WITH A MILITARY. This is very important, as you will NEED to defend your dorfs while they set up a home.

[Loud Whispers]

I also made a 5 tile long, 1 tile wide entry hallway to make it harder for stuff to get inside.

And harder to escape. Heed these warnings, for they may prevent your doom a while longer.

[Sting_Auer]

I also made a 5 tile long, 1 tile wide entry hallway to make it harder for stuff to get inside.

And harder to escape. Heed these warnings, for they may prevent your doom a while longer.

Wait... but if the stuff gets inside, aren't I already as good as dead?

[Molay]

Sir, I know that design.
A single entry is not good. Once something is inside, you're pretty much doomed.
I'll try doing a similar design now, with a single difference: I wall off the entrance!

[Loud Whispers]

I also made a 5 tile long, 1 tile wide entry hallway to make it harder for stuff to get inside.

And harder to escape. Heed these warnings, for they may prevent your doom a while longer.

Wait... but if the stuff gets inside, aren't I already as good as dead?

Some things, yes, which is why you need an exit strategy, or a lockdown lever.

[Sting_Auer]

I also made a 5 tile long, 1 tile wide entry hallway to make it harder for stuff to get inside.

And harder to escape. Heed these warnings, for they may prevent your doom a while longer.

Wait... but if the stuff gets inside, aren't I already as good as dead?

Some things, yes, which is why you need an exit strategy, or a lockdown lever.

Perhaps an emergency back door? A bunker with some backup food and weapons?

[Sting_Auer]

just so people know, I am updating the OP when I make a new entry. I'm not posting it in a new post.

[Sting_Auer]

The fortress died...


The dwarves were being completely twits, wouldn't do the jobs they needed to, and got themselves killed. Essentially, they did what they normally do. Not sure what I should do at this point.

[Feb]

Depends on how serious you want your fortress to be, there's a lot of stuff need done.

Here's some of the !!SCIENCE!! of my own that'd help on embark

Always, ALWAYS, bring at least 28 logs (preferably cedar), no axe and 7 picks (or as much as possible)
Depending on your initial starting position, you should either shack up or channel+roof, everyone must contribute as soon as you unpause, it's a race against time.
Flying Undeads will usually mean your fort is dead
Only train/bring Hammerers/Macemen, Axelords are good at the beginning, that's until you get sieged.  At that point, your axelords will be spawning more zombies quite rapidly leading to your doom.
Use a two tiered spoke and wheel design for underground passage leading to the surface if you plan on receiving migrants/caravans.  Mine ended up looking like a big spiderweb.
Isolate and seal off/dispose of all pets and pet owners/failed moods, these include your starting beasts of burden.
Plan for an Inner Sanctum, cage trap is your best friend when your first line of defense is breached.

[Sting_Auer]

My intention WAS to wall off the entrance, but it never seemed to happen. My dorfs were being too retarded for it to work -.-

[Stromko]

For dealing with the scary-kitten zombie pit; would it have been possible to build a bridge that anchored far enough away that the dwarf building it wouldn't be able to see into the pit, but the bridge is long enough that it covers the pit when it's complete?

Also: Bridges block line of sight, right?

[Sting_Auer]

For dealing with the scary-kitten zombie pit; would it have been possible to build a bridge that anchored far enough away that the dwarf building it wouldn't be able to see into the pit, but the bridge is long enough that it covers the pit when it's complete?

Also: Bridges block line of sight, right?

That is actually a great idea! I'll be sure to incorporate this.

[Sting_Auer]

I have repurposed this thread into a general discussion on evil biome ‼SCIENCE‼. Post your discoveries here as well please!

[Broseph Stalin]

If you have fatal rain you have lost. All of your migrants will die, all of the caravans will die, you will never be able to do anything outside even if it looks safe.

My zombie pits feature a floor hatch controlled by a lever outside of the room. Bodies are dumped on top of it and a lever is pulled to drop them in. It keeps your dorves from getting scared by the zombies that can't touch them.

FUCK KOBOLDS! Kobold zombies can still unlock doors if you have a kobold corpse in your fortress be very careful about where you store it.

[Sting_Auer]

If you have fatal rain you have lost. All of your migrants will die, all of the caravans will die, you will never be able to do anything outside even if it looks safe.

My zombie pits feature a floor hatch controlled by a lever outside of the room. Bodies are dumped on top of it and a lever is pulled to drop them in. It keeps your dorves from getting scared by the zombies that can't touch them.

FUCK KOBOLDS! Kobold zombies can still unlock doors if you have a kobold corpse in your fortress be very careful about where you store it.

Oh my, zombie kobold...


it seems that pits are pretty much required then. No zombie vaults allowed?