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[bombzero]

What's the best way to go about assembling this horde of zombies? Of course, once you've reached a certain level of capital, your undead investments start getting self-sustaining- that is, with enough zombies, you can be sure of killing (and then raising) anyone, with average losses of less than one zombie per peasant killed.

The difficult part is when you're starting out as a small business, and need a loan of, oh, a few dozen corpses. Anyone know a good way to get started there?

step 1: learn to raise dead people. difficulty: HOLY SHITZ 800 ZOMBIEZ.
step 2: raise those 800 zombies to fight for you. difficulty: boring, but worth it.
step 3: go 'explain' to the townspeople just how little much you like their stupid ass wondeful quests, and not being rewarded at all ever. difficulty: non-existent, but gratifying.

[Keldane]

Wild animals.

No, seriously. If you find a pack of wild boars, just kill one, raise it, and follow it around if it goes charging off. It'll immediately target any living creatures it can find, which will likely be the rest of the pack if you kill it fast enough. Any living companions you have at the time will then try to kill your undead animals, which in turn will attempt to kill the companions. You can use this to your advantage by gathering a group of companions, going out into the wilderness, and raising everything they kill until the undead overwhelm your personal army, thus allowing you to raise the companions, too.

Then, just go back to town.

[bombzero]

if youll excuse me... im gonna go play adv mode...

[Jacob/Lee]

Man, I just realized I need to see if I can wipe out a city using a zombie horde. Now I just need to figure out how to make a zombie horde. Hmmmm... Can I recruit necromancers?

Oh yes, you can wipe out cities with a zombie horde. Though you can't recruit necromancers, you can learn the secrets of life and death yourself, raise some of the necro's old zombies and then go to town with them. A fight will immediately start as soon as your zombies see a living being. Sit and watch as your zombies kill tons of people, then raise their corpses and re-raise your zombies. Wash, rinse and repeat until you either crash from ludicrous amounts of zombies or kill everyone in the town.

[Sizik]

If you raise a necromancer, can they raise their own zombies?

[Jacob/Lee]

If you raise a necromancer, can they raise their own zombies?

I don't think so, I swear I had a necromancer raise one of his buddies when I was clearing the tower but the necromancer zombie didn't do anything unusual.

[RadHazard]

Towers would be a pain to clear out if necromancers could raise each other.  I think interactions are tied to their soul, so resurrected zombies shouldn't remember how to do any that they knew in life.

[Cruxador]

I would really like he followed his own goals for once.
After a long development like this one, it would be nice to have some short feature releases for a time at least. But it looks like big releases are more financially interesting. I can see their reasoning.

Oh C'mon... Really? You think goals that Toady already finished aren't his own? .... and the implication that toady is doing it for money! oh... are you from around here? Do we live in the same world? ...and I don't wanna stir up a discussion, just couldn't believe someone can have so distorted view....

I was referring to Toady setting objectives (for example, Release 1 - towns and markets) that was supposed to be fast, but took 11 months and ended up with much more than what he planned; the fact that he is now considering to change the other planned releases - it is not the first time he does this; and though he aren't doing it for money, he needs it to survive and it is a fact the long development cycles give more money... though I don't think he is doing it on purpose. But if he does, it is his right.
Come on, I'm Bay12's raging fanboy!

Maybe you should cite your claims? I haven't actually revisited this since the latest release (because it's a hassle), but by the math I did last time Toady released a big new version and people raised this claim Toady made less money overall when he doesn't update and then drops a big one than when he updates more consistently.

[thvaz]

I would really like he followed his own goals for once.
After a long development like this one, it would be nice to have some short feature releases for a time at least. But it looks like big releases are more financially interesting. I can see their reasoning.

Oh C'mon... Really? You think goals that Toady already finished aren't his own? .... and the implication that toady is doing it for money! oh... are you from around here? Do we live in the same world? ...and I don't wanna stir up a discussion, just couldn't believe someone can have so distorted view....

I was referring to Toady setting objectives (for example, Release 1 - towns and markets) that was supposed to be fast, but took 11 months and ended up with much more than what he planned; the fact that he is now considering to change the other planned releases - it is not the first time he does this; and though he aren't doing it for money, he needs it to survive and it is a fact the long development cycles give more money... though I don't think he is doing it on purpose. But if he does, it is his right.
Come on, I'm Bay12's raging fanboy!

Maybe you should cite your claims? I haven't actually revisited this since the latest release (because it's a hassle), but by the math I did last time Toady released a big new version and people raised this claim Toady made less money overall when he doesn't update and then drops a big one than when he updates more consistently.

I didn't see the need to cite my claims because it was a casual observation, but here we go:

2011:     $42294.19 (Feature and bugfixes releases, first time annual donations decreased)
2010:     $54501.15 (DF2010 - April,month of the release, got Toady about 30% of the donations of the year)
2009:     $32516.44(no release year - more than the previous year)
2008:     $32318.46(various small releases)

Before the release of DF2010 the donations were dropping greatly, but that was a extreme long release cycle. This time this sharp decrease didn't happen, and this is a good sign.

Someone can prove that I'm wrong, but as I said, this is based on casual observation.

[Cruxador]

Yeah, clearly the math should be actually done, particularly looking at the actual months of release in 2011. I ain't doing it tonight, though.

[jellsprout]

WHOA did Toady get a LOT in February.

Once again I am back to wondering what exactly Toady spends his money on... Knowing it is probably something boring like food and water.

Major release. I thought it will "generate" more money than DF2010 [..since the playerbase must be much bigger now] but I was wrong, since DF2010's release = 16k income for Toady in that month. Weird. Oh well, it's still a very nice amount of cash.

.31 was released at the first of the month, while .34 was released halfway through the month. I assume some people first want to try out the new version for a few weeks before donating or have been waiting with playing it for whatever reason. I think Toady will make up for the extra 4k next month.

[rhesusmacabre]

When travelling at night, travel map visibility is reduced to 1 tile, but the zoomed in travel map (which is great by the way) is unchanged. Is this to reflect the greater light sources near to towns or will this change?

Temples in cities appear to have above ground, constructed walls that are also engraved. This seems inconsistent with fortress mode (maybe humans know somthing that dwarves don't). Should we expect a change here?


I've never used the relevant tools to embark in places you're not intended to, but I assume the walls in question aren't actually "constuctions", it's just they look that way when you see them, and not carved into the ground.

[gimli]

*dbl post*, loving this laggy net.

[gimli]

I would really like he followed his own goals for once.
After a long development like this one, it would be nice to have some short feature releases for a time at least. But it looks like big releases are more financially interesting. I can see their reasoning.

Oh C'mon... Really? You think goals that Toady already finished aren't his own? .... and the implication that toady is doing it for money! oh... are you from around here? Do we live in the same world? ...and I don't wanna stir up a discussion, just couldn't believe someone can have so distorted view....

I was referring to Toady setting objectives (for example, Release 1 - towns and markets) that was supposed to be fast, but took 11 months and ended up with much more than what he planned; the fact that he is now considering to change the other planned releases - it is not the first time he does this; and though he aren't doing it for money, he needs it to survive and it is a fact the long development cycles give more money... though I don't think he is doing it on purpose. But if he does, it is his right.
Come on, I'm Bay12's raging fanboy!

Maybe you should cite your claims? I haven't actually revisited this since the latest release (because it's a hassle), but by the math I did last time Toady released a big new version and people raised this claim Toady made less money overall when he doesn't update and then drops a big one than when he updates more consistently.

I didn't see the need to cite my claims because it was a casual observation, but here we go:

2011:     $42294.19 (Feature and bugfixes releases, first time annual donations decreased)
2010:     $54501.15 (DF2010 - April,month of the release, got Toady about 30% of the donations of the year)
2009:     $32516.44(no release year - more than the previous year)
2008:     $32318.46(various small releases)

Before the release of DF2010 the donations were dropping greatly, but that was a extreme long release cycle. This time this sharp decrease didn't happen, and this is a good sign.

Someone can prove that I'm wrong, but as I said, this is based on casual observation.

Heh and you begin to wonder....if DF would be more player friendly [IE. Good UI, Fully separated gfx-txt -> proper tilesets, etc.] + the development would be faster -> *Toady turns into Notch*
Ok maybe he still wouldn't earn so much money like the Minecraft developer, but he would earn much more. However I think that Toady is absolutely okay with his current income.

[Gaspa Craftdreams]

Okay I just started working with version 0.34.04.

Book names seem to follow a few set patterns as far as I've seen; I've counted multiple instances of the same name and even more instances where the name uses the same overall format but with different nouns.

When using the arena, I got it to crash by attempting to spawn a werebeast grasshopper man with grandmaster level in every combat skill.  It happens every time.

So, I'm assuming that Toady still has a laundry list of bugs to work over, and we should expect a new release soon.

Also, have the kobolds stopped dying of starvation yet?