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[Meph]

Yes

[Facekillz058]

kk, thanks.
Another question, this one about contact area on edge attacks.

Will a higher number lop of limbs more, but be stopped by armor more than a weapon with a small contact area?

[Kaleb702 Games]

How would I make a wearable item that's made from glass? Reading on the wiki, haven't found it yet.

[i2amroy]

Will a higher number lop of limbs more, but be stopped by armor more than a weapon with a small contact area?

I believe it would but I'm not 100% on that one.

How would I make a wearable item that's made from glass? Reading on the wiki, haven't found it yet.

You would need to make a custom reaction that created a clothing or armor type item made out of glass.

[Urist Da Vinci]

kk, thanks.
Another question, this one about contact area on edge attacks.

Will a higher number lop of limbs more, but be stopped by armor more than a weapon with a small contact area?

Time for one of my favorite Toady quotes, I forget when/where this came from but it is probably searchable:

Well, there's contact areas and contact areas, he he he, and edges are assumed to be at a small enough scale that my numbers don't resolve well there.  Edges move partially over to different calculations, using the shear value differences and their "edge" numbers without worrying so much about the particulars of the vanishingly small surface area of the slice, whereas bludgeoning weapons use the overall contact areas and do more actual pushing around in a more straightforward way.  It's sort of crappy and cobbled together, but hopefully it'll work out.  The edges still keep track generally of how much they are slicing through and how much momentum is behind them, so slashes are different from thrusts in that respect.  There's nothing here that wouldn't make an engineer vomit though.

In general, I don't have enough dimension information to do a really good simulation.  Critters parts have weird shapes, so I haven't fussed that much.  It oftentimes conflates total surface areas, volumes and depths, in ways that don't necessarily scale realistically, but it's not like I can do much about what these things look like.  As long as the results are good over the range of sizes and actions in the game, it doesn't matter as much, but some extra raw variables will probably come in over time as problems arise.

FAKEEDIT: http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=30026.msg1007133#msg1007133

My guess is that severing is determined by the cut area (width x depth) vs body part area, where the depth is capped by the weapon's maximum penetration, and the width is capped by the weapon contact area (or body part size if smaller).

Oh, and decapitation/bisection is hindered by the [CONNECTOR] tokens in the spine body parts - they have to be destroyed in order to sever the body parts. It becomes much easier to cleave people in half if you remove those tokens.

Damage adds up, as I kept hacking an elephant in the lower body after removing the [CONNECTOR] token from the lower spine, and I was first cutting through the fat, and then the muscle. After 9 fat hits, and 5 muscle hits, the elephant fell in half.

[RiderofDark]

What's the difference between the ETHIC:EAT_SAPIENT_OTHER and the ETHIC:EAT_SAPIENT_KILL tags?

[Putnam]

EAT_SAPIENT_OTHER determines whether you can butcher the creature in Dorf mode (I think); EAT_SAPIENT_KILL shows up in worldgen as elves devouring other species.

[fantafox]

Now, I am trying to make a time lord race so that I can play with him in Adventure Mode.  Everything was pretty self explanatory to do.  Would it be possible to make it so that whenever your character dies, a different creature of the same species would take his place, and you could then take control of that creature?  If so, how?

[Facekillz058]

Im no professional, but i do not beleive that is possible *yet*.

I think Toady One said in one of his interveiw things that reincarnation may be coming up.

[Speakafreak22]

I was gonna make a new thread but I'll ask here instead.
How would I go about adding in castes to vanilla DF?
Like say I wanted to use some of the castes from Masterwork, like smith savant, talented doctor, priest of Armok, etc., would I have to do anything major to the raws?

[Putnam]

You could just copy+paste those particular castes into the dwarf file under creature_standard.

[celem]

Heya folks, longtime DF player and frequent lurker of this sub-forum where I enthusiastically try out just about everything the community produces. 

So, after a break from DF in general and a subsequent discovery of all the cool stuff people are doing now with sydromes and interactions I figure I just might be able to make something I've been pondering a while....a total conversion.  (Yes, I know its generally a suicidal first project, but i write source in a variety of languages for a living, I can probably get to grips with RAWs in short order)

A couple of quicknot-so-quick questions:

1. Clothing Rot

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Having issues with my new guys getting upset over clothing rot, I dont want to NOEMOTION them.  Tried putting armorlevel:1 on various items which stopped them rotting, but it appears the game hardcodes embark clothing as actual armorlevel:0 items, so naked migrants if all items are lvl 1 or higher (armors).  I generally have always hated the cloth/clothing industry (even in vanilla) and the new need for it across DF is driving me (and my folks) mad.  Anyone got any tricky ideas for this? 

2. Vanilla workshops and reactions

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

 Its a total conversion, which means im making a lot of custom workshops and reactions to handle the new items in my worlds.  I also gutted 99% of vanilla DF's content since almost none of it fits my theme.  Anyway to prohibit an entity from being able to build vanilla workshops?  Found permitted_building tokens but no prohibited_building token and would love to actually remove workshops that will serve no purpose (or break some game mechanics)...in particular i really need rid of the carpenter's workshop, if i cant actually remove it then welcoming any and all ideas on how to break it. (can i get at any of those reactions in there?  im thinking not, cant find the workshop or reactions in vanilla RAWs) 

3. Entities, materials, preferences

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Related to my workshop prohibition issues, the source of them really.  I'll have to explain a bit to put it into context.  There is only 1 type of tree in my mod that is never intended for any kind of woodworking, meaning no woodcrafting, no carpentry.  Its a very close copy of the scrap tree system Deon has in place for post-apocalypse with a similar function. Key here is some way to prevent my entity making wooden items even though it has access to a wood.  Would removing [wood_pref] stop them offering wood at embark yet still allow custom workshops to use material reagents with [WOOD]? I removed the skills carpenter and woodcrafter from my entity but that only seems to stop them arriving with it, not you assigning it after arrival.
At embark my civ offers barrels, bins, training weapons etc made from this 'not-really-a-wood-but-has-wood-tag-for-mechanical-reasons'.....theres no way around this one right?  Even if I add a 'real' wood tree my home civ will use both.  If I have the 'scrap' type have a much higher value will i embark with mainly the cheaper type or is this fully random?  As I think more on this...can I get them to bring metal barrels and bins at embark if the entity has reactions to make such?

Hmmm, this one became mainly a 'what can i actually get at?' post.  If you see any pitfalls ahead for me with the unmoddable side of the game yet I havent specifically asked here then please drop it in as a btw, you might save me many hours

Thanks guys!

EDIT: Concept for the curious.

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 The mod is intended to result in a futuristic TC where you manage a dig team exploring ruins on an alien planet.  Progress so far includes the playable entity which works, if being a slightly boring semi-copy of vanilla humans (no castes yet).  2 other civs are in mainly for entity testing, one hostile goblinesque group of aliens and a trading human faction, very boring and slated for later dev.  Got the scrap heaps (tree) working ok thanks to Deon's Post-apocalypse, these are refined and processed to yield small amounts of metal and components for the tech tree (which is totally unfinished).  Got more exotic types of scrap appearing as gem clusters now too, processing is waiting until i decide if i just let vanilla gemcutters handle it or knock-up a new workshop.  Im mainly in the process of making sure that the vanilla stuff i havent/couldnt get rid of doesnt break anything much (hence the posts above)

EDIT2: I dont know why im not following normal software engineering design principles here and testing after every little tweak.  I just made a whole range of changes to a host of different files and now one of those changes somewhere is breaking the worldgens.  Rather than backtrack to the culprit im gonna revert and step forwards to it.  Lucky version control was beaten into my head day 1 year 1 at uni.  Also, extra bonus question.  How can i crack open the fortressintro.file in /announcements?  I know this is possible since i've seen mods where embarks do not refer to mountainhomes etc.

[TomiTapio]

Heya folks, longtime DF player and frequent lurker of this sub-forum where I enthusiastically try out just about everything the community produces. 

No, you cannot remove the hardcoded workshops and their reactions.
Maybe if the one type of wood in the world spontaneously combusts... like Warlord255's Bonfire mod's FIREWOOD.
Could try having no trees in the raws. And one of the herbalism plants would be the closest thing. But I think the worldgen will not be happy with "no trees ever".
Did you try removing    [ITEMS_HARD][ITEMS_WEAPON] from the WOOD_TEMPLATE?

I don't think you can get metal barrels as bonus containers at embark.

"a futuristic TC" what'choo talking about?

Clothing... compensate for the worn spacesuits issue with "decon showers" ie. mist generators.

As a codist you'll probably like the string dump of DF exe: http://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php/DF2012:String_dump

[celem]

Thanks for the reply

First up, yay!, String Dump, there goes several hours no doubt....

by 'futuristic TC' i meant TC to stand for Total Conversion, its maybe not an acronym in use here.

I cant really have my only wood type combust on harvest, I do need it extensively in reactions to start my tech-tree, I was just looking for ways to stop it being used as wood, even though it has to be considered by the game to be wood (so it grows as a tree for starters)

I'll try dropping some tags from the wood template, firstly losing hard and weapon, then i'll try cloning the wood material and dropping the [wood] tag one version.  Theres a note in the raws indicating that this single tag on the material comes with a lot of hardcode.  If this latter fixes things then i guess i'll have a tree that drops wood without a [wood] tag and one that drops wood with a [wood] tag but where the wood goes poof at harvest.  Fills the slots of trees exist but you cant get normal wood at an embark.  Will see just which of these points DF chokes on, its never easy

Metal barrels was me wondering if i could embark with drinks in a world with no wood, but as you predicted, im having issues with a world without any tree types.  (though a world with no cloth yielding plants ran fine, just a lot of colonists wearing cloth clothing with no material descriptor such as ' ' trousers.)

EDIT: I did try stripping [INDOOR_WOOD] and [OUTDOOR_WOOD] from the entity definition itself, which does stop you embarking with the one wood-type in my world since they are no longer allowed to cut it down, yet through the magic of DF I could still take drinks in barrels made of the wood.

[Crazy Cow]

So, I'm trying to create a Trogloraptor mod. Here's what I've got:

Spoiler: body_trogloraptor (click to show/hide)

body_trogloraptor

[OBJECT:BODY]

[BODY:TROGLORAPTOR_CLAWS]
   [BP:RA:right arm:STP][CONTYPE:UPPERBODY][LIMB][ RIGHT][CATEGORY:LEG_FRONT]
      [DEFAULT_RELSIZE:900]
   [BP:RH:right claw:STP][CON:RA][GRASP][ RIGHT][CATEGORY:FOOT_FRONT]
      [DEFAULT_RELSIZE:120]
   [BP:LA:left arm:STP][CONTYPE:UPPERBODY][LIMB][ LEFT][CATEGORY:LEG_FRONT]
      [DEFAULT_RELSIZE:900]
   [BP:LH:left claw:STP][CON:LA][GRASP][ LEFT][CATEGORY:FOOT_FRONT]
      [DEFAULT_RELSIZE:120]

Spoiler: creature_trogloraptor (click to show/hide)

creature_trogloraptor

[OBJECT:CREATURE]

[CREATURE:TROGLORAPTOR_LESSER]
   [DESCRIPTION:A relatively small arachnid with eight legs, venemous fangs, and two scything claws it uses to kill anything it finds.]
   [NAME:lesser trogloraptor:lesser trogloraptors:lesser trogloraptor]
   [CASTE_NAME:lesser trogloraptor:lesser trogloraptors:lesser trogloraptor]
   [CREATURE_TILE:'S'][COLOR:6:0:0]
   [PETVALUE:2500]
   [PET_EXOTIC]
   [BIOME:SUBTERRANEAN_CHASM]
   [UNDERGROUND_DEPTH:2:3]
   [AMBUSHPREDATOR][PARALYZEIMMUNE]
   [CAN_LEARN][SKILL_LEARN_RATES:500]
   [NO_SLEEP]
   [NOPAIN][EXTRAVISION][NOSTUN][NOEMOTION][NOFEAR]
   [LARGE_ROAMING][FREQUENCY:20][DIFFICULTY:3]
   [POPULATION_NUMBER:6:12]
   [CARNIVORE][NATURAL]
   [BUILDINGDESTROYER:1]
   [LARGE_PREDATOR]
   [SAVAGE]
   [GRASSTRAMPLE:10]
   [PREFSTRING:awesome name]
   [NOBONES]
   [BODY:SPIDER:2EYES:HEART:GUTS:BRAIN:MOUTH:TROGLORAPTOR_CLAWS]
   [BODY_DETAIL_PLAN:CHITIN_MATERIALS]
   [BODY_DETAIL_PLAN:CHITIN_TISSUES]
   [BODY_DETAIL_PLAN:EXOSKELETON_TISSUE_LAYERS:CHITIN:FAT:MUSCLE]
   [SELECT_TISSUE_LAYER:HEART:BY_CATEGORY:HEART]
      [TL_MAJOR_ARTERIES]
   [BODY_DETAIL_PLAN:STANDARD_HEAD_POSITIONS]
   [USE_MATERIAL_TEMPLATE:SINEW:SINEW_TEMPLATE]
   [TENDONS:LOCAL_CREATURE_MAT:SINEW:200]
   [LIGAMENTS:LOCAL_CREATURE_MAT:SINEW:200]
   [HAS_NERVES]
   [USE_MATERIAL_TEMPLATE:ICHOR:ICHOR_TEMPLATE]
   [BLOOD:LOCAL_CREATURE_MAT:ICHOR:LIQUID]
   [CREATURE_CLASS:GENERAL_POISON]
   [GETS_WOUND_INFECTIONS]
   [GETS_INFECTIONS_FROM_ROT]
   [USE_MATERIAL_TEMPLATE:PUS:PUS_TEMPLATE]
   [PUS:LOCAL_CREATURE_MAT:PUS:LIQUID]
   [BODY_SIZE:0:0:200]
   [BODY_SIZE:1:0:1000]
   [BODY_SIZE:3:0:200000]
   [BODY_APPEARANCE_MODIFIER:LENGTH:90:95:98:100:102:105:110]
   [BODY_APPEARANCE_MODIFIER:HEIGHT:90:95:98:100:102:105:110]
   [BODY_APPEARANCE_MODIFIER:BROADNESS:90:95:98:100:102:105:110]
   [MAXAGE:200:300]
   [USE_MATERIAL_TEMPLATE:POISON:CREATURE_EXTRACT_TEMPLATE]
      [STATE_NAME:ALL_SOLID:frozen trogloraptor venom]
      [STATE_ADJ:ALL_SOLID:frozen trogloraptor venom]
      [STATE_NAME:LIQUID:trogloraptor venom]
      [STATE_ADJ:LIQUID:trogloraptor venom]
      [STATE_NAME:GAS:boiling trogloraptor venom]
      [STATE_ADJ:GAS:boiling trogloraptor venom]
      [PREFIX:NONE]
      [ENTERS_BLOOD]
      [SYNDROME]
         [SYN_NAME:trogloraptor bite]
         [SYN_AFFECTED_CLASS:GENERAL_POISON]
         [SYN_IMMUNE_CREATURE:TROGLORAPTOR_LESSER:ALL]
         [SYN_INJECTED]
         [CE_VOMIT_BLOOD:SEV:100:PROB:100:RESISTABLE:SIZE_DILUTES:START:5:PEAK:10:END:20]
   [ATTACK:BITE:BODYPART:BY_CATEGORY:MOUTH]
      [ATTACK_SKILL:BITE]
      [ATTACK_VERB:bite:bites]
      [ATTACK_CONTACT_PERC:100]
      [ATTACK_FLAG_EDGE]
      [ATTACK_PRIORITY:MAIN]
      [SPECIALATTACK_INJECT_EXTRACT:LOCAL_CREATURE_MAT:POISON:LIQUID:100:100]
      [ATTACK_FLAG_CANLATCH]
   [ATTACK:SLASH:BOdYPART:BY_CATEGORY:GRASP]
      [ATTACK_SKILL:GRASP_STRIKE]
      [ATTACK_VERB:slash:slashes]
      [ATTACK_CONTACT_PERC:1000]
      [ATTACK_PRIORITY:MAIN]
      [ATTACK_VELOCITY_MODIFIER:10000]
      [ATTACK_FLAG_EDGE]
   [CHILD:3]
   [GENERAL_CHILD_NAME:spiderling:spiderling]
   [CHILDNAME:spiderling:spiderlings]
   [ALL_ACTIVE]
   [HOMEOTHERM:10040]
   [CASTE:FEMALE]
      [FEMALE]
      [LITTERSIZE:8:22]
   [CASTE:MALE]
      [MALE]
   [SELECT_CASTE:ALL]
      [SET_TL_GROUP:BY_CATEGORY:ALL:CHITIN]
         [TL_COLOR_MODIFIER:BROWN:1]
            [TLCM_NOUN:chitin:SINGULAR]
      [SET_TL_GROUP:BY_CATEGORY:EYE:EYE]
         [TL_COLOR_MODIFIER:BLACK:1]
            [TLCM_NOUN:eyes:PLURAL]
   [SELECT_MATERIAL:ALL]
      [MULTIPLY_VALUE:5]

Basically, the Trogloraptor refuses to use the Slash attack I gave it and you can't use it while playing as one. Also, if anyone has a better name for its limbs I'd be glad to hear them ;P