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[3man75]

Actually, if we're going for something flying we might want to go for something much, much smaller. Kind of the size of a bat or something, and preferably poisonous.

Makes much less of a target, is more economical, and can infiltrate their fortress by flying into important vents and clogging them and stuff.

+1 especially since poison is involved. We shall cristen the monstrocity..Ebbs

[GavJ]

+1 flying poison bats (or a bit smaller)

Ground troops - I think acid is okay but probably not necessary (wall can be brought down by tunneling underneath maybe or by just breaking through it underground which we have sufficient technology to do. The rest should just use their tunnels more often.  Flying poison bats sound more useful than  acid ground guys for a limited number of castes we can make.

[3man75]

+1 flying poison bats (or a bit smaller)

Ground troops - I think acid is okay but probably not necessary (wall can be brought down by tunneling underneath maybe or by just breaking through it underground which we have sufficient technology to do. The rest should just use their tunnels more often.  Flying poison bats sound more useful than  acid ground guys for a limited number of castes we can make.

plus they can fly at night and glance at how inside of the walls.

[GiglameshDespair]

Really, an effective weapon could be some kind of grub or mite, combined with the flyers. We scatter them over any crops they have. The grubs burrow and blight the crops, remaining in spores in the soil against pesticides and replantation. Either they starve or they have to expand beyond their walls.

In fact, just filling the area with so many diseases they have to wear biohazard suits to go outside would be a plus.

[10ebbor10]

We don't really need the grubs. If our bats are poisonous, they can do that job as well.

[10ebbor10]

Composite Suggestions, though mostly my own. Feel free to adjust as nessecairy.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

War
* Raid enemy patrols outside their borders. Try to bring one back alive this time. No Xenoes should be able to leave their compound. (Always attack from ambushes). Collapse the ground under anything we can't defeat.
      * Always attack from ambushes, both dug in, or from the trees, or stuff like that.
* Continue digging efforts. Try to go underneath the foundations rather than through. (Win-Win. Either the wall collapses, or we go underneath)
* Try to find any scraps of their technology. Tell our troops that they leave nothing after a successful attack. Take all weaponry.
* Create pitfall traps in the forest. (Hey, we have to do something with all the wood from plan Forest fire)
* If we're capable, construct siege engines.

Development
* IIRC, we're a bronze age technology civilizations. Well, let's start using it. Design bronze tools, weaponry and armor.
* Try to develop ranged weaponry of some sort.
* Try to develop siege weaponry, if we can.
* Create a new breed, a poisonous/venomous, flying bug. About the size of a bit, this beast is supposed to swarm the enemy defenses, obscuring view and overwhelming soldiers. If we can chooce, go for neurotoxin.
Home

* Start creating new underground food deposits. Rather than carrying food and resources into the main hive, these will be stored here, and then carried to the main hive underground through collapsible tunnels. Make some reserves closer to the Xeno base.
* Expand our food reserves
* Continue breeding
* Create a new, near surface hive very far away from the human base, ideally close to ore reserves and a forest. Here we will invest in new technology.
* Try to expand our bases with several, new, small underground caverns, deeper than our usual bases.
*Look for ores.

Long term

* Plan: Forest Fire.
       -Current implementation : Create a firebreak in the forest surrounding the enemy base.
       -Long term goal: The ability to light the forest on fire, causing smoke and fire to destroy the enemy base.

* Plan: Scorched Earth
       - Current implementation : Gather as much natural resources as we can out of the forest immediatly surrounding their base. This will cause some ecological problems in the area, most likely driving any wildlife in the area to their food suppl.
       - Long term goal: Cut the Xeno's of from all basic resources they might need

* Plan: Gaia's aid
       - Current implementation: Find the nearest large pack mega fauna*. After we have found it, we can laterattack it and drive it towards the Xeno base. What we're looking for is the largest herbivoric creature that lives in packs. Massive carnivores, if we can find them, are good too.
       - Long term goal: Trample the defenses.

* Plan: Down with the Wall
       - Current implementation : See war
       - Long term: We sabotage the wall fortifications on a truly large scale, digging underneath them across the entire length. We collapse this when we attack, causing the entire wall to suddenly shift and crumbly, or perhaps even fall over in it's entirety.

* Plan: Know what's going on
       - Current implementation: Examine the surroundings. Look for nearby hills, forests, and stuff like that.
       - Long term: We'll see when we know what's going on.

* This should exist. The evolution of large ants heavily implies a higher than usual oxygen rate, and lower gravity.

Latest iteration.

[3man75]

Composite Suggestions, though mostly my own. Feel free to adjust as nessecairy.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

War
* Raid enemy patrols outside their borders. Try to bring one back alive this time. No Xenoes should be able to leave their compound. (Always attack from ambushes). Collapse the ground under anything we can't defeat.
      * Always attack from ambushes, both dug in, or from the trees, or stuff like that.
* Continue digging efforts. Try to go underneath the foundations rather than through. (Win-Win. Either the wall collapses, or we go underneath)
* Try to find any scraps of their technology. Tell our troops that they leave nothing after a successful attack. Take all weaponry.
* Create pitfall traps in the forest. (Hey, we have to do something with all the wood from plan Forest fire)
* If we're capable, construct siege engines.

Development
* IIRC, we're a bronze age technology civilizations. Well, let's start using it. Design bronze tools, weaponry and armor.
* Try to develop ranged weaponry of some sort.
* Try to develop siege weaponry, if we can.
* Create a new breed, a poisonous/venomous, flying bug. About the size of a bit, this beast is supposed to swarm the enemy defenses, obscuring view and overwhelming soldiers. If we can chooce, go for neurotoxin.
Home

* Start creating new underground food deposits. Rather than carrying food and resources into the main hive, these will be stored here, and then carried to the main hive underground through collapsible tunnels. Make some reserves closer to the Xeno base.
* Expand our food reserves
* Continue breeding
* Create a new, near surface hive very far away from the human base, ideally close to ore reserves and a forest. Here we will invest in new technology.
* Try to expand our bases with several, new, small underground caverns, deeper than our usual bases.
*Look for ores.

Long term

* Plan: Forest Fire.
       -Current implementation : Create a firebreak in the forest surrounding the enemy base.
       -Long term goal: The ability to light the forest on fire, causing smoke and fire to destroy the enemy base.

* Plan: Scorched Earth
       - Current implementation : Gather as much natural resources as we can out of the forest immediatly surrounding their base. This will cause some ecological problems in the area, most likely driving any wildlife in the area to their food suppl.
       - Long term goal: Cut the Xeno's of from all basic resources they might need

* Plan: Gaia's aid
       - Current implementation: Find the nearest large pack mega fauna*. After we have found it, we can laterattack it and drive it towards the Xeno base. What we're looking for is the largest herbivoric creature that lives in packs. Massive carnivores, if we can find them, are good too.
       - Long term goal: Trample the defenses.

* Plan: Down with the Wall
       - Current implementation : See war
       - Long term: We sabotage the wall fortifications on a truly large scale, digging underneath them across the entire length. We collapse this when we attack, causing the entire wall to suddenly shift and crumbly, or perhaps even fall over in it's entirety.

* Plan: Know what's going on
       - Current implementation: Examine the surroundings. Look for nearby hills, forests, and stuff like that.
       - Long term: We'll see when we know what's going on.

* This should exist. The evolution of large ants heavily implies a higher than usual oxygen rate, and lower gravity.

Latest iteration.

+1. Update soon player?

[GiglameshDespair]

Composite Suggestions, though mostly my own. Feel free to adjust as nessecairy.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

War
* Raid enemy patrols outside their borders. Try to bring one back alive this time. No Xenoes should be able to leave their compound. (Always attack from ambushes). Collapse the ground under anything we can't defeat.
      * Always attack from ambushes, both dug in, or from the trees, or stuff like that.
* Continue digging efforts. Try to go underneath the foundations rather than through. (Win-Win. Either the wall collapses, or we go underneath)
* Try to find any scraps of their technology. Tell our troops that they leave nothing after a successful attack. Take all weaponry.
* Create pitfall traps in the forest. (Hey, we have to do something with all the wood from plan Forest fire)
* If we're capable, construct siege engines.

Development
* IIRC, we're a bronze age technology civilizations. Well, let's start using it. Design bronze tools, weaponry and armor.
* Try to develop ranged weaponry of some sort.
* Try to develop siege weaponry, if we can.
* Create a new breed, a poisonous/venomous, flying bug. About the size of a bit, this beast is supposed to swarm the enemy defenses, obscuring view and overwhelming soldiers. If we can chooce, go for neurotoxin.
Home

* Start creating new underground food deposits. Rather than carrying food and resources into the main hive, these will be stored here, and then carried to the main hive underground through collapsible tunnels. Make some reserves closer to the Xeno base.
* Expand our food reserves
* Continue breeding
* Create a new, near surface hive very far away from the human base, ideally close to ore reserves and a forest. Here we will invest in new technology.
* Try to expand our bases with several, new, small underground caverns, deeper than our usual bases.
*Look for ores.

Long term

* Plan: Forest Fire.
       -Current implementation : Create a firebreak in the forest surrounding the enemy base.
       -Long term goal: The ability to light the forest on fire, causing smoke and fire to destroy the enemy base.

* Plan: Scorched Earth
       - Current implementation : Gather as much natural resources as we can out of the forest immediatly surrounding their base. This will cause some ecological problems in the area, most likely driving any wildlife in the area to their food suppl.
       - Long term goal: Cut the Xeno's of from all basic resources they might need

* Plan: Gaia's aid
       - Current implementation: Find the nearest large pack mega fauna*. After we have found it, we can laterattack it and drive it towards the Xeno base. What we're looking for is the largest herbivoric creature that lives in packs. Massive carnivores, if we can find them, are good too.
       - Long term goal: Trample the defenses.

* Plan: Down with the Wall
       - Current implementation : See war
       - Long term: We sabotage the wall fortifications on a truly large scale, digging underneath them across the entire length. We collapse this when we attack, causing the entire wall to suddenly shift and crumbly, or perhaps even fall over in it's entirety.

* Plan: Know what's going on
       - Current implementation: Examine the surroundings. Look for nearby hills, forests, and stuff like that.
       - Long term: We'll see when we know what's going on.

* This should exist. The evolution of large ants heavily implies a higher than usual oxygen rate, and lower gravity.

Latest iteration.

+1. Update soon player?

+ the chargers. I think we had enough agreement to make those, even if we don't deploy them yet.

[10ebbor10]

We had a lot of discussion about them, but I have so far seen little agreement on anything.

We have to concede that there's a significant chance that we can only create one new race at a time.

[cheesemcmuffin88]

Wait y'all I have just realized something that could be really useful to us. We are insects insects have very distinct stages in there development. For most insect's including ants it goes egg -> Larva -> Pupa -> Adult. The insect is basically a completely different critter in its different life cycles. One common example of this is catipeler to butterfly, though that example isn't that applicable to our "ants" (by the way we should probably name our selves) one example that is applicable to our situation is the ant lion who in its larval stage is a powerful ambush hunter and borrower and in its adult stage becomes a aerial insect akin to a dragon fly. So why cant we do something similar so we can get both a charger and a flyer. In one so below you will see my proposal yeah

The Ebbs

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Egg - The eggs will be nothing special hatched in clusters of forty to fifty optimally that is
Larva - The Larval stage will be our little flying mischief makers I would say instead of following a bat design as that would be harder to execute within a insect frame following a cicada esque design with poisoned mandibles.
Pupa - This is going to be the stage where they are most useless assuming they live past there initial assault in there Larval state and eat enough it will cause them to pupate. At this time they will form a cocoon of chitin where they mature and grow for about two to three weeks ideally though realistically it will probably be one to two months
Adult - These will be our chargers. Though I dont know if we ever finalized a design for chargers but I say we should take a hint from nature here on earth and go with a already existing biological design. I belive a locust esque design where it hops across the battlefield quickly closing the distance and disrupting the enemy lines thus weakening the fire they can direct at our warriors  could be effective. Or we can go with a very large Rhinoceros beetle design and use them as a purely offensive weapon 

[Worldmaster27]

Wait y'all I have just realized something that could be really useful to us. We are insects insects have very distinct stages in there development. For most insect's including ants it goes egg -> Larva -> Pupa -> Adult. The insect is basically a completely different critter in its different life cycles. One common example of this is catipeler to butterfly, though that example isn't that applicable to our "ants" (by the way we should probably name our selves) one example that is applicable to our situation is the ant lion who in its larval stage is a powerful ambush hunter and borrower and in its adult stage becomes a aerial insect akin to a dragon fly. So why cant we do something similar so we can get both a charger and a flyer. In one so below you will see my proposal yeah

The Ebbs

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Egg - The eggs will be nothing special hatched in clusters of forty to fifty optimally that is
Larva - The Larval stage will be our little flying mischief makers I would say instead of following a bat design as that would be harder to execute within a insect frame following a cicada esque design with poisoned mandibles.
Pupa - This is going to be the stage where they are most useless assuming they live past there initial assault in there Larval state and eat enough it will cause them to pupate. At this time they will form a cocoon of chitin where they mature and grow for about two to three weeks ideally though realistically it will probably be one to two months
Adult - These will be our chargers. Though I dont know if we ever finalized a design for chargers but I say we should take a hint from nature here on earth and go with a already existing biological design. I belive a locust esque design where it hops across the battlefield quickly closing the distance and disrupting the enemy lines thus weakening the fire they can direct at our warriors  could be effective. Or we can go with a very large Rhinoceros beetle design and use them as a purely offensive weapon 

That isn't bad, if the GM accepts it. It's reasonable enough, I suppose. Though the chargers coming from the fliers doesn't make that much sense. If it will work, +1.

[cheesemcmuffin88]

Typically in the insect world it would actually be the oppisite but there is no real reason it cant happen that way