Wow. Okay, so Powder Miner. That was an awfully defensive post for a little bit of pressure. But here's the one major thing I noticed, the biggest thing. You didn't follow up on Web. He blew you right the fuck off. And you ignored it.
Why didn't you follow up on Web?
When you're ready to answer that, let's move on.
Oh, I thought you meant something specific aside from the glaringly obvious. Yes I will hunt scum and lynch them. "Hunt scum" doesn't even qualify as an approach (it's how you kinda have to play the game) and I was supposed to answer with that? If I was, let me respond with a question similar to yours.
Yes, except you didn't tell me you had no particular approach in mind. You told me you had no
plan. Pardon me if I'm jumping at shadows here, but the change is not, in my mind, a minor one. Townies can have strategies and approaches, but they do not, generally, have
plans, because the only plan they need is lynching scum. And that would have been a pretty terrible answer, because it wasn't responding to the question I fucking asked. And since you're approach seems to be "Random vote and pointless question someone who's already said things worth commenting on", maybe you SHOULD have spent more time thinking up a better approach.
Is your forum account name GryphGlyph?
Yes. What did you hope to learn from asking me that?
In any event, I thought you meant if I had a particular way of doing things, a strategic outlook of sorts, would I go especially all-out or would I remain looking at posts, that sort of thing. (Because that's what having an approach is, in case you didn't know.)
I did know that. Which is found it so odd you seemed so confused, not about approach, but about what you should be doing at all. You not only didn't have any approach in mind, any strategy for scumhunting, you said (and acted like) you literally had no
plan at all yet. Plans are for scum. Also, you know what would have been a good response, if you WERE to be asked what your plan was? You could have actually spent some time thinking up an answer.
Here, this would have been a good start:
Dakarian's Scumhunting Bible, reposted here for your convenience
A VERY rough sketch of how a scumhunt is done (to help those who aren't sure now).
Step 1: When you have no suspicions on anyone, pick someone at random (I MEAN random.. some use Random.org for this!), take a glance as their past posts, and talk to them, usually with a vote. The goal is not to kill but to learn more about them. The vote is a "Pressure Vote", simply used to make sure they don't ignore you.
Step 2: When someone feels 'off' to you: perhaps you disliked their answer, or maybe they scare you, or confuse you with their text. Perhaps they look fine but your feelings or your gut says something is wrong. Perhaps you see them do one scumtell. Don't ignore it: make them your target. Attack them. Tell them what bothers you about them. Push them, harass them. Tell them how scummy they are. Ask them every question in the book.. and I mean EVERYTHING:
Litia: "You bother me. Vote Dakarian!"
Dak: Meh. Why?
Litia: "Because you bother me. Why are you pushing me off as if it doesn't matter?"
Dak: "What? No, you just have nothing on me."
Litia: "You're voting for Vector. why?"
Dak: "He looked scummy.."
Litia: "Vagueness is a scumtell! "Scummy.. how is he scummy!"
Dak: "He just is.. you don't have a reason to go after me either."
Litia: "OMGUSing now Mr.Scum? Being defensive? You also didn't answer my question!"
Note, this is Step 2: Litia doesn't feel like she knows Dakarian is scum.. just had a 'feeling'. She has no hard evidence, nothing real. The questions are to add pressure.. make Dakarian crack and panic. If you did it right, they WILL town or scum. WHEN they do, you will be able to see more of their true self. From there, decide if you can find them as scum for truth. If you don't: pull out and go to your next suspect: if no one else is there, go back to Step 1.
If you do believe they are scum after that, Step 3:
Step 3: When you believe someone is scum, gather evidence. Find every scum tell, every sign of their true motives. Pull more from them. DON'T LET GO! Even if the town ignores you or even votes for you because of it, DO IT ANYWAY! Push, push, PUSH, ***PUSH*** until you have solid proof of what they are.
If you can't find enough to prove them and run out of things to say, check one more time to see if you still feel he's scum, then pull back, look at others (Step 2) but be ready to go back to them at any time. If your convinced and ready to kill them, Step 4
Step 4: Final step. It's time to convince the town. Show what you have. Push the target so they show more scumminess. Attack, but do it only to demonstrate to the town what you KNOW is true. You aren't trying to argue with the mafia anymore.. you are trying to show the town why you are right and Mr.Mafia MUST be lynched. If you are at this point, only 3 things can happen:
1. The scum is lynched.
2. You are given so much information that you become CONVINCED that the target is town. (no less than CONVINCED.. doubt, maybe, 'perhaps' won't due)
3. You are dead.
That's how a basic scumhunt is done. One last note on doubt:
Doubt is something that's ok to have but UGLY to show. If you doubt or have second thoughts, DON'T DISPLAY IT. If you think "He looks passive but I don't know..." you SAY "You scum! Stop being passive!!!" If you think "He may have a good reason to attack guy really." say "Give me your reasons and stop being vague."
Doubt is something for yourself. When you have doubt, go back and see if your original ideas still hold up. If they do or if you find yourself saying "I'm not sure" then go back to the attack until you are sure. This ain't the USA: we play by Guilty until Proven Innocent here. Unless you can get yourself to believe they may be honest, keep the attack.
So doubt is ok to have if used right.. but the town does NOT need to hear it. If you doubt, accuse anyway as if you know. If you wonder, accuse as if you know it. If you know the answer, ASK ANYWAY and let THEM answer. Make them convince you they are town: don't do the job for them.
And that's scumhunting in a nutshell. Everyone, try to figure out what Step you are on and work accordingly. Note that you should be almost done Step 1 by the end of Day 1 (though some may be higher by then). If you aren't, keep random voting and consider an Extension.
If you don't know WHAT you are.. you're in Step 1. Get to random voting.
Last note: 'Not voting' should only be done when you are doing a quick look over everyone's past. Otherwise, your vote and your attention should always be on SOMEONE, even if it is at random.
It's best for a lynch to be for a reason reason.. but it's better for someone to be lynched randomly than for no lynch to occur at all.
Just a quick note: That's good advice for everyone, but I'm sure most of the people in this game are awfully familiar with it by now.
Simply put - if you don't have a plan for finding scum, fucking get one, because sitting back and waiting for them to come to you is going to make the town lose. (But then, you'd like that, wouldn't you?)
I don't want the day to end earlier. I hoped to nullify any progress you would make towards a shorten. I would think that would be kind of obvious, but then again you seem to have difficulty with things that are obvious.
Thats a bullshit explanation, and you know it. If anyone else had requested a shorten, you'd have had plenty of time to oppose it then, plus a little more information. So what exactly is your reasoning?
Mine: A Day Shorten gets responses. Responses, especially day 1, help find scum. In addition, shortens add pressure - people respond, because they are suddenly unsure on whether or not they'll have time to respond later. I'm also impatient, and like shorter days (there's a reason I run quick bastards), and see extra time as the lead killer of games. Essentially, I have a whole host of fairly strong reasons to start off with a shorten.
Now, detail your reasons as to why, exactly, you'd not only
oppose a shorten, but destroy my ability to use it to pressure scum for no actual purpose beyond "nullifying progress" of something that is clearly not going to fucking happen with this play group? Because, really, that's what you did. You screwed it up. And saying "you didn't want the day to be shorter" is a bullshit reason - even if my original reason was just as bullshit. And it was! But you used the opportunity to make a weak personal attack and
defend yourself instead of using it to attack me.
I missed the post, not hard to do with a oneword post. I saw further discussion about it, assumed it was in a larger post, and went on. Anyway, it's not a pointless RVS. When I say I know nothing about the game, I mean I know nothing about the game. I was trying to gather information, like you might like the town not to do.
Come on. There was, what, a whopping 7 fucking posts to read? And you decide to target web, who is notoriously hard to read, supposedly, with a couple lameass questions, conveniently ignoring his post which would have been fairly easy to read, since it was only one word, and fairly easy to notice, since the whole thing was in red. That's not just laziness or stupidity - that's feeling the need to do put on an appearance (of scumhunting) without putting in the actual effort of doing it.
My plan isn't anything other than identify and lynch the scum. I said I didn't have a special plan for coming into the game. This doesn't mean "O-ho conspiracies if he answers my question with a correct meaning of having an approach instead of my incorrect one HE IS SCUM WHO DOESN'T WANT TO LYNCH SCUM HAHA!" And why would I ask easylynch questions? It isn't scumhunting, doesn't help town.
And why would I ask easylynch questions? It isn't scumhunting, doesn't help town.
What does this even mean? Please, expound, what is an "easylynch question", exactly?
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