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vassock

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Do bad thoughts go away?
« on: January 08, 2012, 10:12:40 pm »
Do thoughts of dwarfs dying in combat eventually go away or do they keep accumulating without ever being deleted?
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Re: Do bad thoughts go away?
« Reply #1 on: January 08, 2012, 10:22:07 pm »
the preference screen will only show a list of most recent happiness modifiers but they do stack up, both god and bad thought. Note that dining in a legendary dining room totally negate the bad thought from having one's child mauled by a bear.
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Re: Do bad thoughts go away?
« Reply #2 on: January 08, 2012, 10:27:52 pm »
Bad thoughts do vanish over time.  At any time a dwarf should only be affected by the thoughts listed on their preference screen.  Once a bad or good thought times out and vanished from the screen, it no longer affects the dwarf.  Furthermore, I suspect that thoughts of the exact same type don't stack (a dwarf can only have a single bad thought of the exact same kind at once) but I'm not sure of that.
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Re: Do bad thoughts go away?
« Reply #3 on: January 08, 2012, 10:46:56 pm »
Quote from: Sphalerite on January 08, 2012, 10:27:52 pm
Bad thoughts do vanish over time.
Open the therapist and stare at their happiness meter until your have a better understanding on this matter.
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Re: Do bad thoughts go away?
« Reply #4 on: January 08, 2012, 11:04:12 pm »
The wiki is the source of all (DF) knowledge: http://df.magmawiki.com/index.php/DF2010:Thought

The answer to your question is more complicated than a yes/no, because dwarf preferences/moods are fairly intricate (and hilariously broken) in DF. 
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Re: Do bad thoughts go away?
« Reply #5 on: January 09, 2012, 03:27:19 am »
Quote from: rephikul on January 08, 2012, 10:46:56 pm
Quote from: Sphalerite on January 08, 2012, 10:27:52 pm
Bad thoughts do vanish over time.
Open the therapist and stare at their happiness meter until your have a better understanding on this matter.
Well as long as you remembered to refresh it every once in a while, else wise it's not gonna change no matter how long you stare at it. :P
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Re: Do bad thoughts go away?
« Reply #6 on: January 09, 2012, 04:40:52 pm »
Thoughts from dying in battle do not go away. The dwarves are too busy decomposing to care.

Thoughts from friends dying in battle might; I'm pretty sure I've seen thoughts go away eventually.
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Re: Do bad thoughts go away?
« Reply #7 on: January 09, 2012, 10:24:54 pm »
Quote from: GreatWyrmGold on January 09, 2012, 04:40:52 pm
Thoughts from dying in battle do not go away. The dwarves are too busy decomposing to care.

Thoughts from friends dying in battle might; I'm pretty sure I've seen thoughts go away eventually.

That is my main concern. Are there really "acceptable losses" in DF? Or will they accumulate into an inevitable tantrum spiral no matter how rarely they happen?
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Re: Do bad thoughts go away?
« Reply #8 on: January 09, 2012, 11:05:11 pm »
Yes, bad thoughts go away after 1 year IIRC. Their effects are also lessened to half of the happiness penalty/boost at the 6 month mark (at least this was true as of 40d). As for GreatWyrmGold his post was a bit of a joke there, since if a dwarf dies in battle then they will be dead and therefore their thoughts won't go away. The thought caused in all of their friends due to their death will though.
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Re: Do bad thoughts go away?
« Reply #9 on: January 09, 2012, 11:37:39 pm »
One of my best military dwarfs has been unhappy for ages. Almost like he has PTSD, started after an ambush killed 2 of his friends and his wife lol.
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Re: Do bad thoughts go away?
« Reply #10 on: January 09, 2012, 11:45:06 pm »
Quote from: UnexpectedSalad on January 09, 2012, 11:37:39 pm
One of my best military dwarfs has been unhappy for ages. Almost like he has PTSD, started after an ambush killed 2 of his friends and his wife lol.

Get him to kill a whole bunch of things / witness lots of death, he should start being content.
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« Reply #11 on: January 10, 2012, 01:09:29 am »
Quote from: Loud Whispers on January 09, 2012, 11:45:06 pm
Quote from: UnexpectedSalad on January 09, 2012, 11:37:39 pm
One of my best military dwarfs has been unhappy for ages. Almost like he has PTSD, started after an ambush killed 2 of his friends and his wife lol.

Get him to kill a whole bunch of things / witness lots of death, he should start being content.
Killing and witnessing more death will make him better?........... lol
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Re: Do bad thoughts go away?
« Reply #12 on: January 10, 2012, 01:10:42 am »
Quote from: UnexpectedSalad on January 10, 2012, 01:09:29 am
Quote from: Loud Whispers on January 09, 2012, 11:45:06 pm
Quote from: UnexpectedSalad on January 09, 2012, 11:37:39 pm
One of my best military dwarfs has been unhappy for ages. Almost like he has PTSD, started after an ambush killed 2 of his friends and his wife lol.
Get him to kill a whole bunch of things / witness lots of death, he should start being content.
Killing and witnessing more death will make him better?........... lol
Well killing things does give the "took joy in slaughter" thought and after seeing enough death dwarves "don't really care about anything anymore" so yes, seeing more death will make him better. Rather dwarfy, isn't it? :P
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Re: Do bad thoughts go away?
« Reply #13 on: January 10, 2012, 01:23:17 am »
Quote from: i2amroy on January 10, 2012, 01:10:42 am
Quote from: UnexpectedSalad on January 10, 2012, 01:09:29 am
Quote from: Loud Whispers on January 09, 2012, 11:45:06 pm
Quote from: UnexpectedSalad on January 09, 2012, 11:37:39 pm
One of my best military dwarfs has been unhappy for ages. Almost like he has PTSD, started after an ambush killed 2 of his friends and his wife lol.
Get him to kill a whole bunch of things / witness lots of death, he should start being content.
Killing and witnessing more death will make him better?........... lol
Well killing things does give the "took joy in slaughter" thought and after seeing enough death dwarves "don't really care about anything anymore" so yes, seeing more death will make him better. Rather dwarfy, isn't it? :P
Hmm, sounds more like training a dwarf to become a future psychotic murder that will destroy my fortress. But alright, lol.
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Re: Do bad thoughts go away?
« Reply #14 on: January 10, 2012, 01:46:06 am »
Quote from: UnexpectedSalad on January 10, 2012, 01:23:17 am
Quote from: i2amroy on January 10, 2012, 01:10:42 am
Quote from: UnexpectedSalad on January 10, 2012, 01:09:29 am
Quote from: Loud Whispers on January 09, 2012, 11:45:06 pm
Quote from: UnexpectedSalad on January 09, 2012, 11:37:39 pm
One of my best military dwarfs has been unhappy for ages. Almost like he has PTSD, started after an ambush killed 2 of his friends and his wife lol.
Get him to kill a whole bunch of things / witness lots of death, he should start being content.
Killing and witnessing more death will make him better?........... lol
Well killing things does give the "took joy in slaughter" thought and after seeing enough death dwarves "don't really care about anything anymore" so yes, seeing more death will make him better. Rather dwarfy, isn't it? :P
Hmm, sounds more like training a dwarf to become a future psychotic murder that will destroy my fortress. But alright, lol.
If you want him to train a psychotic murderer, give your fortress guard candy weapons and your mayor have a preference for slade.
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