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Re: XCOM: Enemy Unknown (New by Firaxis)
« Reply #1290 on: August 11, 2012, 03:41:35 pm »

Multiplayer.

why.........
You realize the original game had a mod for multiplayer, don't you?
Wasn't that a complete conversion, rather then a mod. (Depends on if you're referring to the same thing I'm referring to, because if that's so, this is just a skimish multiplayer, no campaign.)
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Re: XCOM: Enemy Unknown (New by Firaxis)
« Reply #1291 on: August 11, 2012, 03:42:06 pm »

Sounds pretty cool if you ask me, bit like Frozen Synapse
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Re: XCOM: Enemy Unknown (New by Firaxis)
« Reply #1292 on: August 11, 2012, 04:02:41 pm »

I don't see why anyone would complain about multiplayer in Xcom, that sounds cool.

Also, guys seriously, Sergius' achievements are... clearly legit. Yes.
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Re: XCOM: Enemy Unknown (New by Firaxis)
« Reply #1293 on: August 11, 2012, 07:03:46 pm »

Yeah, multiplayer sounds great to me. If anything, my gripe would be that they added a little deathmatch thingy just for fun and nothing else. Aliens vs humans I could see being difficult to implement, but you could hack it by letting another player control alien units and leaving strategy/mission generation alone. Co-op would be pretty simple squad-wise and might be very difficult base/interception wise, but I'd think it could still be done.

Though, hopefully there'll be mods for all that anyway.
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Re: XCOM: Enemy Unknown (New by Firaxis)
« Reply #1294 on: August 16, 2012, 07:46:21 am »

Now that the 'multiplayer' cat is out of the bag, time to round up some more articles and footage.

Articles:

PCGamer Multiplayer Preview
RockPaperShotgun Multiplayer preview (mainly rehash of Eurogamer article)
RockPaperShotgun Screenshots
Destructoid Interview
Eurogamer Multiplayer Preview
Kotaku Single Player Impressions
Kotaku Multiplayer Impressions
Kotaku Art and Women
Kotaku Article about attachment to soldiers.
Gamespy Multiplayer Preview
Gameinformer Multiplayer Preview
IGN General preview
Gamesradar Multiplayer Impressions

Footage:

IGN Multiplayer footage
Gametrailers Xcom footage starts at 21.00. Also features totally clueless commentator.
Gametrailers Multiplayer footage
Gametrailers Interview and some Multiplayer footage
Gametrailers Some kind of Design Diary
Gamespot Multiplayer footage

Enjoy!

EDIT: And if you are looking for an extended 'confirmed features' list, click on the spoiler. Info courtesy of Heniv over at the official forums!

Spoiler (click to show/hide)
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Re: XCOM: Enemy Unknown (New by Firaxis)
« Reply #1295 on: August 16, 2012, 01:31:12 pm »

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- Shotgun (Assault class only) - Unlimited
- LGM (Heavy Class only) - Unlimited

I hate stupid, illogical stuff like that. Why would another soldier be unable to wield a shotgun?

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Re: XCOM: Enemy Unknown (New by Firaxis)
« Reply #1296 on: August 16, 2012, 02:23:44 pm »

Because he's a cleric, not a rogue.

Wait...



Ok, joking aside, I think they already explained why they did this "training needed" instead of managing actual weapon stock in the base (you have unlimited of everything, but not everyone can use everything).
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« Reply #1297 on: August 16, 2012, 02:32:15 pm »

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- LGM (Heavy Class only) - Unlimited

I hate stupid, illogical stuff like that. Why would another soldier be unable to wield a shotgun?

It's not that illogical. When you become a marine they don't ask you what gun you want every time you walk out the door. Generally things like Light Machine Guns and Marksmen Rifles are handed out to specialist in a squad.  For example: A Marine Fire Squad is made up of a Rifleman, a Grenadier, an assistant Light Machine Gunner, and the actual Light Machine Gunner.
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Re: XCOM: Enemy Unknown (New by Firaxis)
« Reply #1298 on: August 16, 2012, 05:13:00 pm »

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- Shotgun (Assault class only) - Unlimited
- LGM (Heavy Class only) - Unlimited

I hate stupid, illogical stuff like that. Why would another soldier be unable to wield a shotgun?

It's not that illogical. When you become a marine they don't ask you what gun you want every time you walk out the door. Generally things like Light Machine Guns and Marksmen Rifles are handed out to specialist in a squad.  For example: A Marine Fire Squad is made up of a Rifleman, a Grenadier, an assistant Light Machine Gunner, and the actual Light Machine Gunner.
Between you and me, if you can handle an assault riffle, i think you should also be able to handle a noobgun err shotgun....
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« Reply #1299 on: August 16, 2012, 05:36:32 pm »

Between you and me, if you can handle an assault riffle, i think you should also be able to handle a noobgun err shotgun....

I believe the rationale is not that you can't handle one. They ain't giving you one :D
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Re: XCOM: Enemy Unknown (New by Firaxis)
« Reply #1300 on: August 16, 2012, 05:39:52 pm »

Between you and me, if you can handle an assault riffle, i think you should also be able to handle a noobgun err shotgun....
You could probably rationalize it as there being no reason to give somebody who isn't trained one, since it's either dangerous or no more effective than what they can already use.

That said, I do tend to prefer a bit more flexibility, so I think it'd have been nicer if they'd just made it usually a bad idea. I don't know what kind of systems they were trying to design for, though, so I guess it's possible that sort of thing was just more trouble than it was worth.
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Re: XCOM: Enemy Unknown (New by Firaxis)
« Reply #1301 on: August 16, 2012, 05:43:53 pm »

To be fair, I if I recall correctly, using shotguns in Marine squads is usually a specialized role. Room-sweeper, I think it's called. So it's not standard issue or anything, and I imagine being able to use one effectively for its intended purpose is more difficult than simply knowing how to pull the trigger.

So it's not really that surprising that it's an Assault weapon. Of course, I'd also prefer that you could give anyone any weapon and just have them not use it as well. But I'm not going to quibble about this too much, since it's not far off of standard military doctrine.
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Re: XCOM: Enemy Unknown (New by Firaxis)
« Reply #1302 on: August 16, 2012, 05:53:49 pm »

I can't remember, has the inventory been abstracted out?  It's not possible for a soldier to drop their shotgun and let someone else pick it up, or to pick up a shotgun from a killed teammate?
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Re: XCOM: Enemy Unknown (New by Firaxis)
« Reply #1303 on: August 16, 2012, 06:06:34 pm »

To be fair, I if I recall correctly, using shotguns in Marine squads is usually a specialized role. Room-sweeper, I think it's called. So it's not standard issue or anything, and I imagine being able to use one effectively for its intended purpose is more difficult than simply knowing how to pull the trigger.

So it's not really that surprising that it's an Assault weapon. Of course, I'd also prefer that you could give anyone any weapon and just have them not use it as well. But I'm not going to quibble about this too much, since it's not far off of standard military doctrine.

I thought the whole room-sweeper thing is due to the shotgun being used to "blow the bloody doors off" (to use my favorite Snatch quote) and the reason they were only issued in limited supplies is because you don't need every dude in the squad to ahve one to do that?

 Though the specifics of how real-world militaries operate shouldn't really have anything to do with a sci-fi alien defense simulation IMHO. You should be able to send your entire squad out with nothing but knives and well-wishes if you want. Or give everyone an RPG and one rocket each. That's half the fun of X-Com style games.

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Re: XCOM: Enemy Unknown (New by Firaxis)
« Reply #1304 on: August 16, 2012, 06:15:58 pm »

To be fair, I if I recall correctly, using shotguns in Marine squads is usually a specialized role. Room-sweeper, I think it's called. So it's not standard issue or anything, and I imagine being able to use one effectively for its intended purpose is more difficult than simply knowing how to pull the trigger.

So it's not really that surprising that it's an Assault weapon. Of course, I'd also prefer that you could give anyone any weapon and just have them not use it as well. But I'm not going to quibble about this too much, since it's not far off of standard military doctrine.

I thought the whole room-sweeper thing is due to the shotgun being used to "blow the bloody doors off" (to use my favorite Snatch quote) and the reason they were only issued in limited supplies is because you don't need every dude in the squad to ahve one to do that?

 Though the specifics of how real-world militaries operate shouldn't really have anything to do with a sci-fi alien defense simulation IMHO. You should be able to send your entire squad out with nothing but knives and well-wishes if you want. Or give everyone an RPG and one rocket each. That's half the fun of X-Com style games.

No, Room-Sweeper is the job of the person who goes into a building first with a shotgun to take out any potential hostiles before the rest of the team goes in. My ex was a marine and I spent a while talking with a buddy of hers who had done several tours of duty in Iraq. His job was Room Sweeper, so I figure he knew what he was talking about.

Which is not to say I'm remembering it all correctly, as that conversation was a good 6 years ago or so.

Not that I disagree with you on the limitations. Seems silly that we're not allowed to arm people however we want, even if specific classes should be better at stuff.
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