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[Max White]

So, I've come to a terrible disagreement with a coworker.

When using the MVC architecture, I argue that the bulk of the business logic should be broken down and handled by the models, relying only on the controller to pull things together and pass messages. He thinks the controllers should handle the bulk of the business logic.

These views are clearly incompatible. I don't know what we're going to do, but I'm guessing it's gonna turn into a big mess. :/

At the very least we should probably stop arguing about it in front of the boss...

He is a fool, put the logic down in the model.
This is because each use case should has its own controller, and sometimes different use cases depend on the same functionality, so you must put your logic down in the model, or you will find yourself repeating logic. Further more, the model is a deep structure, while the controller is often just a shallow façade, putting logic in the controller will lead to massive chunks of code as the logic isn't spread over several classes. What he is proposing is a very blatant violation of Information Expert, a rather important GRASP pattern.

Punch him in the face for me, I hate it when people don't keep their damn logic in the model.

[Aqizzar]

So, I've been offered an opportunity for an internship with a software company.  I think they make mobile phone applications, and I know "database" was thrown around a lot too.  I'm still waiting on the details, but it's definitely .NET and C-family related stuff.  I'll ask for people's experiences once I know what the actual software is.

I'm also using for free the study materials my uncle got from a stupidly expensive service certification college.  I'm studying the CompTIA A+ stuff right now.  It's presented in video form by Mike Meyers, meaning my uncle basically paid twenty grand for the extended version of a YouTube series.  It's supposed to be a ground-up course assuming no real prior computer expertise.  However, the first module is aimed at the business of being a technician, and the first couple videos are about hygiene and presentation.  "As nerds, these are not our strong points."

[Max White]

.NET mobile phone applications?
You will be using silverlight.

Also, congratz!

[kaijyuu]

DAMN YOU PYTHON


I hate learning new languages. Yeah it gets easier every time, but the initial hump of constantly looking up syntax and wondering what the hell things do is so annoying. Once I get it down I'll like it just fine, but gah...

[Max White]

What is giving you trouble? For syntax, python has never really seemed like the kind of thing that would cause much trouble... It is the built in functionality that is flawed to the level of being broken.

[kaijyuu]

I've only been working with it for like, 3 days, and I'm modifying something someone else made (this is probably the big part, not knowing my way around their code). Also I keep doing stuff like putting parenthesis around if statements.

And my IDE sucks, being horribly laggy. Better than wordpad though.

[Max White]

Yea... Not sure if there is a great IDE for it. If there is I don't know about it.
I think between eclipse and visual studio, I have become a little spoilt.

[Stargrasper]

So, I've been offered an opportunity for an internship with a software company.  I think they make mobile phone applications, and I know "database" was thrown around a lot too.  I'm still waiting on the details, but it's definitely .NET and C-family related stuff.  I'll ask for people's experiences once I know what the actual software is.

I'm also using for free the study materials my uncle got from a stupidly expensive service certification college.  I'm studying the CompTIA A+ stuff right now.  It's presented in video form by Mike Meyers, meaning my uncle basically paid twenty grand for the extended version of a YouTube series.  It's supposed to be a ground-up course assuming no real prior computer expertise.  However, the first module is aimed at the business of being a technician, and the first couple videos are about hygiene and presentation.  "As nerds, these are not our strong points."

Android is programmed with Java.
iOS is programmed with Objective-C.
Windows Phone, not sure, but I could see it being .NET.

I know nothing of Windows Phone, but if you're using C for mobile applications, I would guess they're talking about Objective-C to code for Apple iOS devices.  You don't use C on Windows Phone, do you?

For databases...might want to brush up on your SQL DBMS's.  For mobile...it depends whether the DBMS is on the device or a server the device connects to.  If it's on the device, it's probably SQLite.  If it's on a server, it could be any number of things...Oracle and MySQL being the most common.

You'll have to let us know what you're actually doing.  I'm decent at mobile application development and I'm actually very good at designing databases.

[Max White]

He said "but it's definitely .NET", as such that cuts objective-c out as a possibility. All it really leaves in C#, F#, J#, VB.net , C++ with the .net framework, small BASIC and JScript.net...


Small BASIC is an actual possibility here, who would have thought? 

[MadocComadrin]

Yea... Not sure if there is a great IDE for it. If there is I don't know about it.
I think between eclipse and visual studio, I have become a little spoilt.

Sublime 2, Notepad++, and Jedit (with the right plugins) all work well for casual python work.

[GlyphGryph]

Why would you use an IDE to write python? Pff. ViM or EMACS is all you need for that.

Seriously though, aren't most of the benefits of an IDE specifically because they handle linking and compiling and other stuff you don't really have to worry about with Python?

[MadocComadrin]

Why would you use an IDE to write python? Pff. ViM or EMACS is all you need for that.

Seriously though, aren't most of the benefits of an IDE specifically because they handle linking and compiling and other stuff you don't really have to worry about with Python?

Well, syntax highlighting, auto-complete, error highlighting, and an interpreter inside the IDE are all very helpful for Python as well.

[Aqizzar]

You'll have to let us know what you're actually doing.  I'm decent at mobile application development and I'm actually very good at designing databases.

He said "but it's definitely .NET", as such that cuts objective-c out as a possibility. All it really leaves in C#, F#, J#, VB.net , C++ with the .net framework, small BASIC and JScript.net...

I'm fairly convinced that the guy who set up the meeting didn't really know what he was talking about.  The required reading is C# 4.0, Murach's SQL 2008, and C# Pro-WPF.  So it's all C#, but there's nothing particularly "mobile" about it.

The fact that I do at least understand the rudiments of C# and program design should be a good leg up, but I'm a little afraid that if I say, "Yeah I know some C#" he'll start pitching a bunch of stuff at me that I won't know a damn thing about.  What I consider rudimentary, he may not consider C# 101.

[GlyphGryph]

Well, syntax highlighting, auto-complete, error highlighting, and an interpreter inside the IDE are all very helpful for Python as well.

You don't need an IDE for any of the first three, just a decent text editor. Notepad++, ViM and gViM do all of that, and they are just text editors.

I guess they don't have an in-editor interpreter (emacs does, though, I believe), but then I usually have my python interactive shell ready to go in another window anyways. :shrug:

[Stargrasper]

You'll have to let us know what you're actually doing.  I'm decent at mobile application development and I'm actually very good at designing databases.

He said "but it's definitely .NET", as such that cuts objective-c out as a possibility. All it really leaves in C#, F#, J#, VB.net , C++ with the .net framework, small BASIC and JScript.net...

I'm fairly convinced that the guy who set up the meeting didn't really know what he was talking about.  The required reading is C# 4.0, Murach's SQL 2008, and C# Pro-WPF.  So it's all C#, but there's nothing particularly "mobile" about it.

The fact that I do at least understand the rudiments of C# and program design should be a good leg up, but I'm a little afraid that if I say, "Yeah I know some C#" he'll start pitching a bunch of stuff at me that I won't know a damn thing about.  What I consider rudimentary, he may not consider C# 101.

That's actually fine.  Any sane supervisor will understand that you're still learning.  Oh, they'll still give you that mountain of stuff you don't understand, but they'll also help you figure it out if you need.  You'd be astounded just how quickly you learn when you're on the job.

All I can do to help you with C# is help as it relates to C or Java.  SQL, I really should be able to help you with.  SQL Server isn't bad.  It shouldn't give you many problems, but just in case...