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Author Topic: American Election Megathread - It's Over  (Read 772421 times)

Flying Dice

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Re: American Election Megathread
« Reply #8070 on: November 05, 2012, 08:17:53 pm »

In my home city, the local paper tends to run a fairly large column with candidate political profiles for most of the local positions. It isn't enough, but it gives most people a decent idea of what they're voting for. Something like that, except online, would be a good resource for people during local elections.
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Re: American Election Megathread
« Reply #8071 on: November 05, 2012, 08:22:55 pm »

So, guess who's already making calls for change in the Electoral College? And saying a president who wins the electoral college [and not the popular vote] is "Illegitimate"?

You guessed it; Fox.

Republicans conveniently forget 2000 and get mad, calling for electoral reform.  Birthers might get another couple minutes on the stage.

Called it. 

Pseudo-edit:  It could be cool.  I have in total seen two ads for a local something-or-other, Winkler is her name.  One is at the courthouse in Cincinnati and one is in a yard near my house, I assume that's her home.  No idea who she is, but I'll vote for her just because I like the cut of her jib.
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« Reply #8072 on: November 05, 2012, 08:26:25 pm »

Hmm... votesmart actually does local candidates. Interesting. Doesn't have any of mine, but I'll honestly have to remember them for next time around, I'll do my best to contribute information.

Ballotpedia is 100% down, so apparently there IS demand. :P

Also, I suddenly remember stories of people changing their last name so they appear first on the ballot... and winning, because of it.
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« Reply #8073 on: November 05, 2012, 08:27:58 pm »

In my town we got a guy who just walks around and knocks on everyone's door, and when he gets here my dad ends up sitting on the porch talking about politics.

In non-presidential election years though I see a lot more low level campaigning. Seems to me everything just gets overshadowed by the obscenely huge campaigns of the presidency now, so if you ever wanted to just slip in under the radar you could probably do it then.

EDIT: Oh man if republicans get on board with dropping the electorate system it might actually happen. Turns out if you want something done these days you just have to get those guys to blame their own failures on it.

Awesome.
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Re: American Election Megathread
« Reply #8074 on: November 05, 2012, 08:35:30 pm »

Alright folks. There is one more final (and I really mean it this time) debate for 3rd party candidates.

Attending will be Jill Stein and Gary Johnson, this is a followup to the oct 13 debate and unrelated to last sundays debate hosted by Ralph Nader.

I am managing to post it early, so yall can watch live this time!

9pm US Eastern

http://freeandequal.org/live/
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Re: American Election Megathread
« Reply #8075 on: November 05, 2012, 09:27:17 pm »

Listening to Stein talk is just so incredibly painful. :/ Those loud, piercings "UGH" between every sentence, and often several times in the middle.

Though I notice she seems to do it much worse on some topics. Johnson is also ugh. Last debate has convinced me to vote for neither of them.


Justice Party it is.
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Re: American Election Megathread
« Reply #8076 on: November 05, 2012, 10:19:15 pm »

I've been looking and looking and can't find anything out about anybody. Not that anyone is even RUNNING against the incumbent for most of these positions. Seriously, how am I supposed to make an informed decision in this sort of situation? And how the hell are these elections not just random chance? How do these people actually campaign/get elected? How do people even find out about them?

I've wondered about that many times myself.  I had a professor of election history who freely admitted that when he goes to vote, he has absolutely no damn idea who half to two-thirds of the people on the ballot are.  There was a guy I knew who ran for Justice of the Peace in 2002, no primary no campaign bought one sign to put in front of his own polling place, and lost by sixty votes.  The honest answer is, they really don't campaign, basically nobody outside of their own personal life knows them, and they typically either think that's just fine or that they're the most important person on the face of the earth and they don't need to campaign.  Judging by the personalities I've met.

What bothers me somewhat is people saying whatever you do just vote. Doesn't matter who you vote for -- just vote. My belief is that if you are not familiar with either candidate or not familiar with a particular issue being voted on, then don't vote. Better than saying just vote would be saying become familiar with the candidates and issues, then vote. One reason we have such a crappy Congress is that people vote based on whether the candidate has a D or an R after his name. If you don't know shit about the candidates, then do the rest of the country a favor and don't vote.
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Re: American Election Megathread
« Reply #8077 on: November 05, 2012, 10:23:10 pm »

My view is typically that if you don't know anything about the candidates, you should vote for the one that I support.

I am not particularly idealistic.
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Re: American Election Megathread
« Reply #8078 on: November 05, 2012, 10:31:40 pm »

That's the point though, it's almost humanly impossible to know who all of the people on your local ballot are, once you get down past State House and Railroad Commissioner.  There's such a shitload of offices that nobody even knows about, let alone who competes for them, that being fully informed just isn't realistic.

Knowing your Congressman is kinda requisite to call yourself "informed enough" though.
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Re: American Election Megathread
« Reply #8080 on: November 05, 2012, 10:33:26 pm »

My view is typically that if you don't know anything about the candidates, you should vote for the one that I support.

I am not particularly idealistic.
I endorse this.

Whatdo you guys think of California's new non-partisan election laws? It seems to address these concerns.
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Re: American Election Megathread
« Reply #8081 on: November 05, 2012, 11:11:30 pm »

Obama is currently in Des Moines, speaking for his last time on campaign ever. He's crying right now, and it made me cry...
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Re: American Election Megathread
« Reply #8082 on: November 05, 2012, 11:45:58 pm »

I made a Facebook note about the whole thing, and I thought I might share it with y'all.

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I have written a distinct paucity of politically-oriented statuses over this election cycle, for several reasons. Firstly, I find that too loudly tooting one's own political horn has a tendency to make more enemies than it makes friends, on either side (and I try not to encourage spectacular flamewars, at least not with close acquaintances); most points that need to be made, someone else will make; and my political views are occasionally a little bit off-kilter (my distaste for democracy is well-known to some of you).

Still, on the eve of a day where many of those of you who can vote will be gritting your teeth while doing it, I thought I might share a few thoughts.

No matter who wins tomorrow evening, I think we'll be looking back on this year's election for decades afterwards in a way we won't be looking back at, say, '96 or '04; I don't claim to know whether we'll be asking ourselves what went wrong or how on earth we ever saved our skins and pulled it off.

Firstly, if the current election is historic, the next few will be even more so. 2008 represented the first real inklings of the demographic transition that the United States is currently going through; it won't be complete for decades, and while it happens there will be political division on a scale we probably won't have seen since the '60s. In 2008 we made the decision to put a black man in the White House; we're now going to decide whether we're going to stick to him, or declare that we're not ready for what he stands for. Politically, we're suddenly looking at a landscape where LGBT rights are an issue in a way they weren't even four years ago, where the Southern Strategy is clearly on its way out (and doing its best to scorch the earth behind it), and where money is greasing the works in a way it hasn't been since the Gilded Age. To make things worse, we're being asked to make decisions on these issues when a good portion of the country can't be blamed for not worrying about much beyond next month's paycheck.

It would be naïve to think that we're not going to be revisiting all this in '16, '20 or '24. It would also be naïve to think that biding our time until things work themselves out will work. Like most big turning points in the public sphere, things will have to get worse on some level before they get better. True, the Republican Party is being childish, obstructionist and denialist in the extreme; however, as with all official oppositions in democracies, they also must play- however poor their own costumes- the sacred part of pointing out when the Emperor has no clothes. Loathe as I am to admit it, they may not finish digging their own graves- either to obscurity or to a radical restructuring like the Democrats underwent in the '60s- unless, for a time, they are handed a few more shovels and have only themselves to blame when they screw something up.

That is not to say that we should all vote for the Rs tomorrow; nothing could be further from my intentions. Nor should we give up on Obama; disillusioned as many of us are with the man, Romney will resolve few of his flaws and introduce many worse ones. I am simply stating the facts- this is how things have been before, and it is likely how they will have to be again. The good fight is still there to be fought.

Go vote!

If there's anything to add to that, I'd just like to note that there seems to be this conviction among many of my acquaintances that Romney is some sort of semi-Antichrist. He isn't. He is an out-of-touch, smarmy, spineless, reckless pawn of the corporate community and his own party- there is no denying that. But he lacks true malice. This, I think, has been the saving grace of American democracy. As much as I like to complain about it, a truly evil man has never actually sat in the Oval Office. To be sure, the White House has held bigots, bribetakers, cowards and Presidents who simply weren't equipped to deal with crises they couldn't have foreseen; it's been home to Fillmore, Buchanan, Andrew Johnson, Harding, Hoover and Nixon. But it has also held Washington, Jefferson, Polk, Lincoln, both Roosevelts, Wilson and Lyndon Johnson.

And one of these days, I think- Obama is not that man, though we all thought he would be in '08- someone will pop out of the woodwork with the courage, foresight, conviction, and fortitude to get the system fixed. But it may take a crisis before they appear.

It could happen as early as this December, if Congress bails on the debt ceiling and Romney is elected.
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Re: American Election Megathread
« Reply #8083 on: November 05, 2012, 11:51:35 pm »

He's crying right now, and it made me cry...
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« Reply #8084 on: November 06, 2012, 02:36:04 am »

http://www.salon.com/2012/11/05/ohio_republicans_sneak_risky_software_onto_voting_machines/
Thats a shitty website layout... and yea...  I will not be surprised if voter fraud does happen.

If only Justice could be as swift as the Chinese if it actually does happen.
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