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[Kon]

So, Obama only needed to get a single Republican vote to get a bill passed. Surely he could have compromised enough to get a single vote.

Maybe, just maybe the republicans are obstructionists who would never support Obama no matter what?  Here's a handy way to see if they are.  We look for major legislation proposed by Obama that was based on republican ideas and see how they react to it.  This would be the 100% compromise position, where there was literally no room left for Obama to compromise.

So there was this law proposed by the heritage foundation, introduced by Bob Dole and reintroduced by Barack Obama.  It's called the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act.  Seeing as this is a democrat proposing an idea based 100% on conservative principals... what sort of reception did it get?  Oh yeah, they called it fascism.

The reason Obama couldn't get 1 republican Senator on board is because there is not 1 republican Senator with integrity.  Every single one of them put party before country.  Every single one.

But I'm sure it's Obama's fault that republicans care more about their party then their country.

The Democrats are far more concerned about what is best for the Democratic Party than what is best for the country.

[Blargityblarg]

Would you care to, say, qualify any of your statements?

[Nadaka]

The problem with that "if" is that the republican congress explicitly stated that any compromise would require 100% acceptance of their proposal and 0% acceptance of democratic proposal.

[Kon]

Would you care to, say, qualify any of your statements?

Which one? It is well known that the House has passed budgets every year and the Senate hasn't . Do a little research yourself.

Ok, here is one. You cab find many more:

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/09/20/Republican-Senators-Assail-Democrats-For-Planning-To-Adjourn-Without-Passing-Budget-For-Third-Consecutive-Year

[Blargityblarg]

That looks like an absolutely fair, unbiased source.

[Kon]

That looks like an absolutely fair, unbiased source.

I just did a quick Google search. Do I need to post a 'Let me Google that for you' Link? This isn't something Democrats deny.

[Blargityblarg]

The deniable part is that it's the Democrats' fault - I suppose it sort of is, for letting the GOP bullies in the playground tell them what to do.

[Mictlantecuhtli]

The problem with that "if" is that the republican congress explicitly stated that any compromise would require 100% acceptance of their proposal and 0% acceptance of democratic proposal.

Seriously. Saying you're going to compromise and doing such are two completely different things. Anyone who claims the GOP-controlled House hasn't been focused on obstructionist party politics is in dire need of reeducation on how our entire fucking government works.

Would you care to, say, qualify any of your statements?

No, he won't, because he's blowing hot air out of his ass for the sake of spewing more party patriotism out there. I think it gives people a sense of meaning to do such, I can't tell you why.

Would you care to, say, qualify any of your statements?

Which one? It is well known that the House has passed budgets every year and the Senate hasn't . Do a little research yourself.

Ok, here is one. You cab find many more:

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/09/20/Republican-Senators-Assail-Democrats-For-Planning-To-Adjourn-Without-Passing-Budget-For-Third-Consecutive-Year

Here's the thing, kiddo.

Passing a budget that you know will fail is masturbatory.

[See: all those 'Budgets' forced out of the house that are ideological scripts, passed (in a masturbatory fashion [aka 'Freedom and Jobs Bill for America']) to bitch and whine that the president won't compromise with their wingnut cutting]

I'd like for you to go through, well, any of the past three years' GOP "budget" bills and tell me why we should adopt it. Go ahead, tell me.

[mainiac]

The Democrats are far more concerned about what is best for the Democratic Party than what is best for the country.

Then please offer an example of the republicans offering a major piece of legislation that was based on liberal ideas and the democrats rejecting it on a lockstep vote.  Heck, just give me an example of the republicans offering a major piece of legislation that was based on liberal ideas.

See we can actually look at the facts... and the facts have a liberal bias.

This bias is why I never chose to be a liberal.  The republican party decided that I would have to be by declaring war on my kind.  If you are LBGT and love numbers and science then their platform is basically a coordinated attempt to drive you from the party.

[kaijyuu]

Political parties are political parties. I dunno how accurate the "party is more important that the country" accusation is for each party, but I do know that such an argument doesn't excuse something. "The Democrats are just like the Republicans with their partisan bullshit" is a potentially fair accusation, but even if it were accurate, it would not in any way shape or form excuse the Republicans. It's just make the Democrats bad too.

[Kon]

Would you care to, say, qualify any of your statements?

No, he won't, because he's blowing hot air out of his ass for the sake of spewing more party patriotism out there. I think it gives people a sense of meaning to do such, I can't tell you why.
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I'd like for you to go through, well, any of the past three years' GOP "budget" bills and tell me why we should adopt it. Go ahead, tell me.

Which statement would you like me to qualify?

And, at least the House passed budgets. The Senate hasn't for three years even though they could have passed one with 51 votes.

It's not surprising you insulted me. I can often tell when a liberal is losing a debate -- they resort to name calling and personal insults. Why can't you just try to use logic, intelligence, and facts to debate in a mature manner without insulting me? You don't have to answer that, by the way. I already know the answer.

[Kon]

Political parties are political parties. I dunno how accurate the "party is more important that the country" accusation is for each party, but I do know that such an argument doesn't excuse something. "The Democrats are just like the Republicans with their partisan bullshit" is a potentially fair accusation, but even if it were accurate, it would not in any way shape or form excuse the Republicans. It's just make the Democrats bad too.

You make a good point. I was just substituting Republican with Democrat and repeating what he said. Was half expecting people to then criticize what I said without criticizing what he said. Unlike most people, I really do think there are a lot of good Democrats as well as a lot of good Republicans in Congress.

[Mictlantecuhtli]

Dear god, you're a moron. I'm a conservative. Quantify your previous horseshit and I'll consider you worth arguing with, all you're doing is spewing unverified, ridiculous statements and falling back to 'Oh wah, you're a mean Liberal!' when I don't agree with your hollow ideological rhetoric.

Tell me what was good about the House's 'budget' proposals, once again.

[Darvi]

I'm a conservative.

Dun dun DUUUUNNNN.

_{I'm so sorry.}

[Mephansteras]

While healthy political debate is a good thing, let's stop with the name calling. Last thing we need is people getting riled up enough to cause Toady to waste his time by having to come in and moderate things in here.

Citations, though, are a good thing. Everyone should use them.