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[Leafsnail]

Also Paulites are really annoying.  I'm sure they'd be unbearable after winning an election .

[Zangi]

So... this article here makes Ron Paul sound... decent.  Whats the catch?  I have not been following this guy before now.

EDIT: Oh hey... I found this nifty thing listing how he is on issues...  I'll find the time to read it later...

[Nadaka]

So... this article here makes Ron Paul sound... decent.  Whats the catch?  I have not been following this guy before now.

EDIT: Oh hey... I found this nifty thing listing how he is on issues...  I'll find the time to read it later...

Ron Paul is only a "libertarian" at the federal level.
He fully endorses a states right to infringe on your liberties.
And even at the federal level, he has endorsed the infringement of liberties in order enact his religion as law.
Ron Paul has ties to the white supremacist movement.
Ron Paul is a free market zealot.
Ron Paul is a decent choice if you want to end America in favor for state level tyranny, complete corporate control, and christian theocracy.

Libertarianism is an idea with merit, but it is not without some serious flaws. But Ron Paul, in practice, is not a libertarian.

[RedKing]

Yeah, it'd be more accurate to say he's a confederalist, if not a Confederate.

[GlyphGryph]

Nadaka's opposition to Ron Paul is a bit... hyperbolic.

Ron Paul does not by any means endorse state-level tyranny and is, in fact, outright opposed to it. So that's bullshit.

He does not believe in enacting his religion as law - yes, he's against abortion, but if you can't understand why someone would be against abortion, that's your problem, not his. If a person sees abortion as murder (which is a justified stance, even if I disagree), then its perfectly acceptable to pass laws against it - it's certainly not something limited to the religious.

Yes, he has unabashedly worked with some bad people in order to gain and keep his office - the only difference between this and other politicians is the sort of bad people he worked with, really.

Don't get me wrong, he's got a lot of crazy political ideas, I don't think many of them would work and I think he's a bad choice to vote for, but he's not evil - especially compared to many of his co-politicians.

[MetalSlimeHunt]

Glyph, Ron Paul has directly stated that he feels that the states should be allowed to enact religious and behavioral law because they aren't the federal government and so the Constitution doesn't apply to them, or at least not as much.

[GlyphGryph]

That is a true statement, but I was just stating that he doesn't think states SHOULD, which is the impression Nadaka's statement gave.

[Nadaka]

That is a true statement, but I was just stating that he doesn't think states SHOULD, which is the impression Nadaka's statement gave.

Except that he has actively supported such laws in the past.

Have you read the "we the people act"? It was Ron Pauls attempt to directly and unequivocally allow states to bypass the US constitution and institute religious tyranny.

[kaijyuu]

Ultimately the dude's advocating self governance on the state level. He doesn't think someone in California should have a say on what goes in on Massachusetts, and stuff like that. What these states happen to actually do with their autonomy is up to them; he doesn't endorse any particular course of action, so long as the state decides it itself.


So yes it's hyperbolic to say he supports the worst possible scenario. He just supports it being possible if the people there want it.

[Leafsnail]

Except if you actually look at the law he tried to pass all the things you're allowed to bypass just happen to be on specific conservative hot button issues.  Essentially "people can bypass the constitution and make conservative legislation".  It's admittedly clever in a sneaky kind of way.

[Mictlantecuhtli]

People will always find loopholes to attempt to make Grand Wizard Paul sound better, no matter what it is. He's an absolute master of spin. Good thing a majority of his supporters are hurr durr citizens with no real competence in voting, else we'd be seeing a lot more fucked up local governments than we do now.

[Nadaka]

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/jeb-bush-says-gop-primary-boxed-romney-immigration-135228559.html

Oh... The cognitive dissonance.

"Bush told reporters at the breakfast that even Ronald Reagan would have a tough time winning the Republican presidential nomination in today's partisan climate, in which working with members of the other party is seen as a weakness. He called the current partisanship "disturbing" and blamed President Barack Obama for increasing the divide between Democrats and Republicans."

[Mr. Palau]

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/jeb-bush-says-gop-primary-boxed-romney-immigration-135228559.html

Oh... The cognitive dissonance.

"Bush told reporters at the breakfast that even Ronald Reagan would have a tough time winning the Republican presidential nomination in today's partisan climate, in which working with members of the other party is seen as a weakness. He called the current partisanship "disturbing" and blamed President Barack Obama for increasing the divide between Democrats and Republicans."

Does not compute... DOES NOT COMPUTE, DOES NOT COMPUTE, DOES NOT COMPUTE... *explosion.

[RedKing]

Darn. Dubya almost had a coherent thought there. Luckily, his handlers interceded before he could complete it.

"Wow, things really are partisan, and everyone's just blamin' the other side automatically. But that would mean..."
*ZZZAP*
"...that the Democrats must to be blame."

[scriver]

Another bush, I think?