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[nenjin]

Other than some random "I'd bomb Iran" / "I'd re-invade Iraq" / "My opponent is evul for speaking Chinese" asshattery, it's been all about jobs and who can out-fundie who.

I think Bachmann and Cain pretty much fulfilled the quota for gross ignorance of foreign policy. Cain moreso than Bachmann. But really, nothing is going to top "Uzbeki-beki-stan" in the Primaries. Any question about foreign policy knowledge would be like "Are you more globally aware than a 5th grader?"

[Nilik]

Also, why doesn't USA have left wing parties?

The answer is because they do, of course.

Just thought I'd address this one. From an outside perspective... you really don't, unless you count fringe groups like the omnipresent "Green party" every country seems to have. Your "left-wing" party is only barely left of the UK's most right-wing party, and more right-wing than any of the non-nutjob parties in Australia. In a vaccum, without reference to any other parties, I would consider them to be moderate.

You, as a nation, seem to have squeezed all the rednecks, religious extremists and corporation-ists (I'm sure there's a better word I could use there) into one big "Jesus, Guns and Corporations" party. They are completely united on their core values and will not budge an inch. The Democrats on the other hand seem mostly sane, but seem to consist of the "Everyone else" party. As a result they seem to have no core values, and make concessions all the time, resulting in Republican gains in most cases. I couldn't live with a system like that, and I can totally see why it drove Toady to make Liberal Crime Squad 

[G-Flex]

Isn't what was said here in the thread is that the major states-rights pusher (Paul, iirc) is trying to use 'state's rights' as code for 'let's ignore the Constitution on a state level'?

Yep.

S'one of those things I get a bit jittery about. There's states in the US that could definitely drum up a voting majority that would remove minimum wage (Leading to a permanent underclass and millions more starving and homeless), compulsory/free education (ditto), criminalize stuff like homosexuality, atheism, probably practicing Islam, the list goes on.

It's not even a "could". This kind of stuff has been done, and laws like that are already on the books, and sometimes written into state constitutions. The only reason anti-sodomy laws don't exist in an enforceable state anymore, for example, is because the Supreme Court of the US struck them down as unconstitutional, and that was only in 2003. Things like that would become enforceable again.

[RedKing]

Other than some random "I'd bomb Iran" / "I'd re-invade Iraq" / "My opponent is evul for speaking Chinese" asshattery, it's been all about jobs and who can out-fundie who.

I think Bachmann and Cain pretty much fulfilled the quota for gross ignorance of foreign policy. Cain moreso than Bachmann. But really, nothing is going to top "Uzbeki-beki-stan" in the Primaries. Any question about foreign policy knowledge would be like "Are you more globally aware than a 5th grader?"

Oh gog....I'd forgotten "Ubeki-beki-beki-stan-stan". And Cain having to get clarification on what Obama's policy in Libya actually *was* before definitively dismissing it as wrong.

Your "left-wing" party is only barely left of the UK's most right-wing party

Seriously? Democrats = BNP? I know it's fashionable to depict the United States as Jesus-stan, but c'mon...

I'll agree that the Democrats would probably not be considered a left-wing party in Europe, if only because Europe did not singularly equate socialism with "being of the Devil" for 40 years. The US's political equilibrium point is to the right of Europe, yes. That does not mean that there is no political outlet for the Left in the United States. There is certainly a social liberal wing of the Democratic Party. Bernie Sanders has been in office for years as a self-described socialist. It's just not as strong or as well-organized as in Europe, that's all.

[Leafsnail]

Now that they've been declared bankrupt and lost pretty much all of their councillors the BNP are more of a running joke than a party.

[Lysabild]

I'll agree that the Democrats would probably not be considered a left-wing party in Europe, if only because Europe did not singularly equate socialism with "being of the Devil" for 40 years.

In Denmark, most of the last 70 years were spent being ruled by Social Democrats to the point that the Social Democrats are losing votes because they've actually more or less accomplished everything they rose to accomplish :b And now our politics are being ruined by people who think America is the best place to look for guidance ;_; But yeah, American Politics to me is like was said earlier, tragicomedy. You guys need socialism.

[Miggy]

I'll agree that the Democrats would probably not be considered a left-wing party in Europe, if only because Europe did not singularly equate socialism with "being of the Devil" for 40 years.

In Denmark, most of the last 70 years were spent being ruled by Social Democrats to the point that the Social Democrats are losing votes because they've actually more or less accomplished everything they rose to accomplish :b And now our politics are being ruined by people who think America is the best place to look for guidance ;_; But yeah, American Politics to me is like was said earlier, tragicomedy. You guys need socialism.

In Denmark, our rightmost nutjobs (Liberal Alliance) have it as their final unrealistic endgoal, that they know they will never achieve, but is their theoretical "we won politics" goal, to lower income taxes to a flat 40%.

[Karlito]

I'll agree that the Democrats would probably not be considered a left-wing party in Europe, if only because Europe did not singularly equate socialism with "being of the Devil" for 40 years.

In Denmark, most of the last 70 years were spent being ruled by Social Democrats to the point that the Social Democrats are losing votes because they've actually more or less accomplished everything they rose to accomplish :b And now our politics are being ruined by people who think America is the best place to look for guidance ;_; But yeah, American Politics to me is like was said earlier, tragicomedy. You guys need socialism.

In Denmark, our rightmost nutjobs (Liberal Alliance) have it as their final unrealistic endgoal, that they know they will never achieve, but is their theoretical "we won politics" goal, to lower income taxes to a flat 40%.

What are they now?

[Miggy]

I'll agree that the Democrats would probably not be considered a left-wing party in Europe, if only because Europe did not singularly equate socialism with "being of the Devil" for 40 years.

In Denmark, most of the last 70 years were spent being ruled by Social Democrats to the point that the Social Democrats are losing votes because they've actually more or less accomplished everything they rose to accomplish :b And now our politics are being ruined by people who think America is the best place to look for guidance ;_; But yeah, American Politics to me is like was said earlier, tragicomedy. You guys need socialism.

In Denmark, our rightmost nutjobs (Liberal Alliance) have it as their final unrealistic endgoal, that they know they will never achieve, but is their theoretical "we won politics" goal, to lower income taxes to a flat 40%.

What are they now?

Depends on how much you earn. The more money you earn, the more you're taxed. According to the danish wiki wiki the maximum amount of tax you can pay of any earning is ~57%. This is about the figure you'll pay, depending on your county, for all money earnt over 389.000 DKK / 67.000 USD a year.

[Sirus]

I'll agree that the Democrats would probably not be considered a left-wing party in Europe, if only because Europe did not singularly equate socialism with "being of the Devil" for 40 years.

In Denmark, most of the last 70 years were spent being ruled by Social Democrats to the point that the Social Democrats are losing votes because they've actually more or less accomplished everything they rose to accomplish :b And now our politics are being ruined by people who think America is the best place to look for guidance ;_; But yeah, American Politics to me is like was said earlier, tragicomedy. You guys need socialism.

We have some. Things like public roads and national parks are paid for by everyone, regardless of whether they use them or not. I admit we could use some more, though, like a decent free health-care plan.

[ECrownofFire]

I'll agree that the Democrats would probably not be considered a left-wing party in Europe, if only because Europe did not singularly equate socialism with "being of the Devil" for 40 years.

In Denmark, most of the last 70 years were spent being ruled by Social Democrats to the point that the Social Democrats are losing votes because they've actually more or less accomplished everything they rose to accomplish :b And now our politics are being ruined by people who think America is the best place to look for guidance ;_; But yeah, American Politics to me is like was said earlier, tragicomedy. You guys need socialism.

We don't ever need socialism, we need the two parties to stop being such fucking idiots, we need corporations to GTFO of politics. Not to mention the whole trillions in debt thing, that wouldn't work too well with socialism.

[Capntastic]

Not to mention the whole trillions in debt thing, that wouldn't work too well with socialism.

Explain why you think this?

[G-Flex]

"We never need socialism" is about as ridiculous as "we never need capitalism". Our system has elements of both, as it probably should. The question is how much and in what ways.

[nenjin]

Well, first conservatives need to quit using the word like it's going out of style in summer.

Example:

(How Mitt Romney does corporate business) is just back-door socialism.

No, Newt, that's pure predatory capitalism, but fuck if I expect you to be intellectually honest.

[Nadaka]

The word socialism is a victim of the war against language.