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[Toaster]

Also, Pandar hasn't posted once.  Prod?

Think may be due as well.


PPE:  Everyone else loses, not dies?  That's... interesting.  (Well, not so much so that everyone so far has "Kill the Webadict" in their wincon.)   Getting everyone to will be an exercise, since goals may be contradictory.

What do you make of the game starting on D0 instead of D1?

[Vector]

Think and Pandar are... in the game?  I didn't know...


I'm not sure about the d0 vs. d1 distinction, but I think it's giving us time to figure out what's going on... maybe some kind of rules will be suspended, something like that.  Might know more if someone has a day-number related ability/wincon.

[IronyOwl]

So... if even one person wins, your only recourse will be to ensure that everyone wins, and vice versa? What happens if one person wins and one person loses; do you die? Does the game end?

[Vector]

I suspect that's how I lose, but not how anyone else loses or wins directly.  If I end up being unable to win, then it probably just turns into some sort of normal mafia game, or that's the condition for the game to end (i.e. the point at which we count days of survival, etc., etc.).

[Toaster]

We also need to make a list of who is expendable.


Vector:  When you say someone must die every day, does that mean a lynch, a NK, either, or both?

[Vector]

I wasn't told.  I think it's a death during the day, though.  So if no lynching is going to happen, then I've got to kill somebody.

[IronyOwl]

Wouldn't that result in you dying instead, since everyone apparently has a bullet?

[Vector]

Do the bullets work for their self-defense?  I didn't know.

[Urist Imiknorris]

Not either of mine.

[IronyOwl]

Well, they don't explicitly mention anything about that, but they specifically say you can shoot the Webadict with them, not just "a target" or similar, so I sort of assumed yours worked in reverse.

[Urist_McArathos]

The bullets appear to be a tactical thing.  If the Webadict wants to screw us all over, she (in this case) must balance day kills with protection from her night turret.  Obviously, the tactic with us would be to find a way to force her to waste bullets so we can shoot her.  The fact that we all seem to require killing Webadict to win ON TOP of our regular goals means that we have an incentive to be selfish and off her as soon as the opportunity presents itself, and that sabotaging each other's goals to ensure a solo victory is the likely outcome.  I think this is the first bastard component: we're all encouraged to screw one another over and kill the Webadict.  Wubs will probably lie, mislead, and in general be a bastard mod to help make it an entertaining misadventure.

Therefore, I'm fully in favor of cooperating with Vector.  Assuming she is telling the truth about winning if we all win, our only option to win without this turning into a brutal backstab festival is to find a way that everyone wins before she dies.  We must, MUST all full claim today to break the setup and plan a way to win together.

I think the best option, assuming the other players don't conflict with this, is to lynch Orangebottle today.  He'll win by being lynched, Vector lives to D2 because we killed someone, and we can figure out more then.  Still not voting (since we can't unvote) until the remaining full claims are posted.

[IronyOwl]

Until we know the full setup, saying something like "we should lynch the Jester first" is completely worthless.

[Urist_McArathos]

Hence my reluctance to vote until we know the full setup.

[Think0028]

I have bullets like everyone else, I am a lyncher who needs to lynch [Town] (unknown target, Webadict said that was a hint), and need to kill the Webadict, like everyone else.

[IronyOwl]

Hm. That probably means my "kill" means I have to redirect the SK onto my target, not just partake in their lynch or something.