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Author Topic: United State Govt. drops pretense of freedom [NDAA PASSED]  (Read 19925 times)

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Re: United State Govt. drops pretense of freedom [NDAA PASSED]
« Reply #225 on: December 16, 2011, 07:45:12 pm »

I think frumple was being sarcastic.
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Re: United State Govt. drops pretense of freedom [NDAA PASSED]
« Reply #226 on: December 16, 2011, 09:32:36 pm »

And saying this law is nothing new is completely wrong : what it authorize now was forbidden but done illegally, so it's exactly like saying that given me ownership of your house is nothing new if I squatted it for a while. I thing I'll move at your place.
Except that isn't true. No forms of military detention previously forbidden have now been legalised.

Seriously. Name one.

I'm pretty sure some of the military detention practices of the last decade have been pretty damn illegal.  They obfuscate the legality of the issue by moving prisoners around to keep them in a limbo where they're not technically detained, just being transported.  Or they ship them off to other unscrupulous organizations or governments so that the detention and its conditions are not responsibility of the u.s. military.  Or they simply classify them as enemy combatants, thus not having the same rights as normal prisoners.

No matter how you look at it, they've been kidnapping people off the street who are suspected of being somehow remotely related to or knowing something about a terrorist maybe (or children indoctrinated into terrorist activities in their early teens, as with many of the prisoners at guantanamo) and torturing and holding them indefinitely, while abusing technicalities or simply lying to get away with it.  The nature of the thing is very illegal.

Now they're making it not only legal but required to do this stuff to people.  This is terrible news no matter how you look at it.  This provision is without a doubt monstrous.

I do agree that it's unlikely to change anything very much here on U.S. soil, even though I'm sure it will be abused and does represent one more step towards overt totalitarianism.
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Re: United State Govt. drops pretense of freedom [NDAA PASSED]
« Reply #227 on: December 16, 2011, 09:33:47 pm »

SOPA says, "this is only a setback!"  More SOPA discusses are delayed until after Christmas.  Well, maybe.

Screw it, they discovered the p0rn.  Or rather, wait I have no idea if it was a good or bad thing.  o_O  But apparently, the entire lyrics of "The Internet Is For Porn" is now officially in a congressional hearing's records.
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Re: United State Govt. drops pretense of freedom [NDAA PASSED]
« Reply #228 on: December 16, 2011, 10:45:31 pm »

Even if it had been legal before (or at least not specifically illegal), that doesn't make this law any less bad.  They should be banning this sort of blatant disregard for constitutional rights, not making it A-OK.
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« Reply #229 on: December 16, 2011, 10:56:27 pm »

Screw it, they discovered the p0rn.  Or rather, wait I have no idea if it was a good or bad thing.  o_O  But apparently, the entire lyrics of "The Internet Is For Porn" is now officially in a congressional hearing's records.

Gah... I could say so much about this... but I won't bother... we all know it's ridiculous...

I haven't been following this nearly as closely as I should, but more and more it sounds like the internet itself is being put on trial, with congress as judge, jury, and executioner.
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« Reply #230 on: December 17, 2011, 12:13:31 am »

News worthy of double-post.

Obama has signed the NDAA.
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Re: United State Govt. drops pretense of freedom [NDAA PASSED]
« Reply #231 on: December 17, 2011, 12:21:08 am »

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Re: United State Govt. drops pretense of freedom [NDAA PASSED]
« Reply #232 on: December 17, 2011, 01:37:59 am »

Hey, now that we're all enemy combatants, I guess those police officers with the pepper spray can be tried for war crimes in Geneva, right? And the government has to treat us as prisoners of war, right?

I sure hope we aren't ignoring that.
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Re: United State Govt. drops pretense of freedom [NDAA PASSED]
« Reply #233 on: December 17, 2011, 03:03:55 am »

Only if you have an identifying mark that can be recognised at a distance. Otherwise, no military protection for you.
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« Reply #234 on: December 17, 2011, 03:21:00 am »

I live in Australia. We may have the great Firewall coming up, but we don't have a government that hates us.

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« Reply #235 on: December 17, 2011, 04:57:12 am »

Wait, our government doesn't hate us?
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« Reply #236 on: December 17, 2011, 05:10:37 am »

My government doesn't hate me, but the EU does the jobs for them. :/ (Which is to say, France and Germany hates me).
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Re: United State Govt. drops pretense of freedom [NDAA PASSED]
« Reply #237 on: December 17, 2011, 05:43:01 am »

Lol, it doesn't hate us as long as we pay for their salary increase while our infrastructure falls apart and people get sick.

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Re: United State Govt. drops pretense of freedom [NDAA PASSED]
« Reply #238 on: December 17, 2011, 06:54:44 am »

We have to be extra careful and must not let Acta pass (in Europe). We also have to make a new political power lest we want to finish like the US.

The only good thing that could come out of SOPA and NDAA is that it may be used to scare European voters into being extra serious about democracy.

PS: Obama was a pawn after all, and a well designed one. He destroyed American left.
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Re: United State Govt. drops pretense of freedom [NDAA PASSED]
« Reply #239 on: December 17, 2011, 07:37:56 am »

What's Acta?
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