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[Hubris Incalculable]

and get a bunch of toughness

The spreadsheet-based character builder i'm using keeps telling me that only constructs may boost toughness. what's up with that?

edit:link - http://www.westguard.org/index.php?title=MnM_Character_Builder

[cerapa]

It dun play by the rules, its a loose cannon. Or it might just be broken.

Personally I did my stuff by hand.

EDIT: You cant add directly to saves man...you get that stuff through feats, powers and abilities.
EDIT: Thats how you ended up with the will save over power limits too?

[Time Blossom]

You can buy up Saves directly; they're 1/rank. You still get the bonuses from your Abilities, of course, and some Powers and Feats add to them, in which case they all stack, but yeah. Also, that Will save doesn't break the PL; the limit on saves other than toughness is PL+5. For reference, that info is on 24-25 in the corebook; pretty handy couple of quick-ref charts, really, if you forget your maths or something.

Also, I'm not really sure how you're planning on getting a Strike 36 Aura power with 20 pp (or even with 44, if you're talking about treating Electrical Control and the base power in your Device as a single array, which is a whole different headache), but just going by the effects you're talking about, there are a couple things to keep in mind:
1) Aura is expensive; you have to treat the effect's duration as though it's been bought up to Sustained when you add up the cost, so a basic Strike Aura is 4/rank. (I used to think that having to pay for duration twice when you buy Auras is a bit odd, but since you're actually paying for the Aura's duration on top of the effect's duration I guess it makes sense. Plus you're essentially getting Reaction for free, so yeah.)
2) Auras are touch-range by definition, but Area Effect costs the same as Ranged, so it's pretty much a matter of hair-splitting. Although if you want to be able to control who gets zapped instead of just attacking everybody, you'll want Selective Attack, too. In which case your total is now 6/rank. Or 5, I suppose, if you want to take Fades.

Hope that helps!

[cerapa]

Interesting. Seems I skipped some things bout saves.

Didnt find that about auras anywhere though. And dont power feats have a 1 pp cost rather than a modifier cost?

[Time Blossom]

If you're using the pdf version of the corebook, I think there's some errata that's missing as far as Auras go. In the uncorrected version, it only specifies that the power needs to be touch range, whereas in the update and the supplementary books it changes this to "touch range, sustained" and outlines the whole buying-separate-durations thing.

Also, power feats do indeed have a 1-point cost. If you're talking about the selective attack thing I mentioned, though, that's another system subtlety. Powers which don't require a save can have the Selective feat applied--this is for things like Communication, so you can control who gets a message, among other things. Powers which do require a save, on the other hand, require the Selective Attack extra if you want to be discriminating with who gets hit and who doesn't. Which is only really applicable for Area Effects; at least, I've never seen it used otherwise.

A funny exception is that Aura can have the feat, so you can control which parts of your body are covered by the aura instead of it being an all-or-nothing thing, although if you don't have a free action to swap this around and somebody grabs a currently-covered part they'll still get whammied. And of course, if you have Aura and Area Effect, you still need the extra.

[cerapa]

Errata...

That really throws a wrench into that then. Expensive stuff. Cuts the 36 into a 9 even with all the flaws. Could get it up to 18 if I threw distracting on it too though.
Also, before, I wasnt referring to making it a ranged power, especially since that would go against the auras requirements, but the Extended Reach power feat that increases a touch powers range by 5 feet.

I am also suprised at reading the fixes, that they removed the rank limit for shapeshift, but didnt do the same for alternate form.

[Time Blossom]

Ah, right, Extended Reach. I actually have no idea how that would interact with an Aura. I think it would make sense to be able to grab a rank or two of it, personally, to represent short-range "danger zone" auras. Plus, Area Effect's coverage starts to get a bit silly since it's dependent on your power rank, so it makes sense to be able to fine-tune that a bit, too. And you'd still have to pay for Selective Attack, so it's not like the cost-break would be huge anyway.
*Shrug* GM's discretion, I suppose.

Also, yeah, that's weird about Alternate Form. They actually corrected that in Ultimate Power, at least, so I don't know why it's not in the core-book errata.

Anyway, off to Seattle for the weekend. See you all on Monday.

[Koliup]

and get a bunch of toughness

The spreadsheet-based character builder i'm using keeps telling me that only constructs may boost toughness. what's up with that?

edit:link - http://www.westguard.org/index.php?title=MnM_Character_Builder

It's based off Hero Lab.

[Hubris Incalculable]

I think I've put those extra points to good use.

Spoiler: New and improved Winged Freak: (click to show/hide)

WINGED FREAK

Real Name: Niklas Pekkanen*
Identity: Public ID

APPEARANCE
Gender: Male
Age: 24
Size: Medium
Height: 5' 11
Weight: 280 lb
Hair: Dirty Blond
Eyes: Blue-Grey

His outward appearance is that of a Thanian male: tallish, but not imposing, dirty-blond hair,
and blue-grey eyes.  He is quick to show off his lopsided smile, and walks with the rolling gait
that helps airship sailors to navigate the decks as the ship sways in the breeze.

POWER LEVEL
Power Level: 10
Power Points: 150
Max Attack: 10
Max Defense: 10
Max Save DC: 10
Max Toughness: 10

ABILITIES
STR: 25 (+7)
DEX: 20 (+5)
CON: 20 (+5)
INT: 20 (+5)
WIS: 25 (+7)
CHA: 15 (+2)

COMBAT
Attack 10 (Melee 10, Ranged 10) [Unarmed +7 (Bruise)]
Defense 5 (3 flat-footed)
Initiative 5

SAVES
Toughness 5 (5 flat-footed)
Fortitude 10
Reflex 12
Will 13

SKILLS
Acrobatics 5 (+10)
Bluff 3 (+5)
Climb 2 (+9)
Concentration  (+7)
Craft
-Mechanical 6 (+11)
-Chemical 1 (+6)
Diplomacy  (+2)
Disable Device 4 (+9)
Disguise  (+2)
Escape Artist  (+5)
Gather Info  (+2)
Handle Animal  (+2)
Intimidate  (+2)
Investigate 2 (+7)
Knowledge
-Technology 3 (+8)
Notice  (+7)
Pilot 3 (+8)
Profession 4 (+11)
Search  (+5)
Sense Motive  (+7)
Stealth  (+5)
Survival  (+7)
Swim  (+7)

LANGUAGES
Terandran, Thanian

FEATS
Inventor
Instant Up

POWERS
POWER[4] Winged Flight
POWER[3] Leaping
POWER[2] Super Movement (Slow fall, Sure footed)
POWER[2] Super Strength

MOVEMENT
Base Move: 30 ft/60 ft/120 ft
Leaping: 170 ft/85 ft/40 ft
Flight: 900 ft (100 mph)

LIFTING
Light: 1064 lbs, Med: 1.1 tons, Heavy: 1.6 tons
Max: 3.2 tons, Push: 8.0 tons

DRAWBACKS
Noticeable: Wings are very easy to spot, aren't they? [UC: DC 15] [Min: DC 5]
Vulnerable: If you got struck in the wing, you'd plummet, too. [C: DC 10] [Maj: DC 15]

SUMMARY
Abilities 65 + Skills 9 (34 ranks) + Feats 2 + Powers 16 + Combat 30 + Saves 18 – Drawbacks -5 = 135 / 150

BACKGROUND
Born to a lower class family of 1st generation Thanian immigrants (though most would
call them invaders), he found it somewhat hard to make friends, due to racial prejudices,
but instead of making him reserved and isolated, this only increased his will to make friends.
As a young teenager, he would often go out with his friends, seeking thrills, doing crazy
things like jumping onto moving trains or diving off of cliffs into the sea. It was on one
such occasion that his power first manifested – he took a running leap off of rocky-head
cliff, and found that he was headed towards a large rock. Just has he was about to collide,
he found that he was flying – he had spouted wings.

About this time, he was apprenticed to an Airship Mechanic, Davin Welles, and, even
though most now considered him a freak, eventually became a mechanic on the airship
“Sanguine”.

PERSONALITY
Enjoys being around people, telling stories and having fun. Tends to be impulsive, and
enjoys mucking around with new technology. Finds theoretical discussions boring,
but will talk at length about practical things or to tell a story, often in a disconnected
manner. Despite his spontaneity, he will not commit the cardinal sin of leaving work unfinished.

TACTICS
Impulsively charges in without considering the situation, unless held back physically,
or has unfinished work.

[Vester]

There's someone less in danger!

Are you going to flesh out the Sanguine's crew (as part of your backstory) or will you be leaving that bit up to me?

[King_of_the_weasels]

Thought i'd point out Mythweaver does have a M&M sheet.

Here's a sample of it.  I don't know if the character I made is actually right, but I'm not joining, just showing the sheet.

[Koliup]

Hubris: You don't have any defense. While this may not be a problem, toughness is your only way out. For a no extra DC attack, you need to roll a 10, if I skimmed correctly, to protect yourself from the damage.
KOTW: Thanks, dude.

[Vester]

Hubris: You don't have any defense. While this may not be a problem, toughness is your only way out. For a no extra DC attack, you need to roll a 10, if I skimmed correctly, to protect yourself from the damage.

I actually figured he'd be spending all that time not getting hit at all. He's a big winged man, he must have fragile avian bones!

[Hubris Incalculable]

There's someone less in danger!

Are you going to flesh out the Sanguine's crew (as part of your backstory) or will you be leaving that bit up to me?

It was meant to be a snide reference to Serenity...

do with it what you will...

[Koliup]

Hubris: You don't have any defense. While this may not be a problem, toughness is your only way out. For a no extra DC attack, you need to roll a 10, if I skimmed correctly, to protect yourself from the damage.

I actually figured he'd be spending all that time not getting hit at all. He's a big winged man, he must have fragile avian bones!

Fragile avian bones made of wrought iron. He's gonna punch down walls for us. Or use Clock as a club of sorts.
We get free airship rides?
http://www.myth-weavers.com/sheetview.php?sheetid=338174 <- Yessss.
EDIT: Fixed.