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[Cecilff2]

All of science is a lie.

[Aklyon]

In other news, people who actually know something about quantum mechanics laugh at this "new" discovery.

As I understand it, the very nature of quantum mechanics keeps us from knowing very much about quantum mechanics at all.

Goddamn how I hate quantum mechanics.

Which means you actually love quantum mechanics?

That depends on whether or not I count as my own observer. If so, I'm locked in the quantum state of hating quantum mechanics. If not, I have no clue whatsoever.

So, which one are you now?

[forsaken1111]

In other news, people who actually know something about quantum mechanics laugh at this "new" discovery.

As I understand it, the very nature of quantum mechanics keeps us from knowing very much about quantum mechanics at all.

Goddamn how I hate quantum mechanics.

Which means you actually love quantum mechanics?

That depends on whether or not I count as my own observer. If so, I'm locked in the quantum state of hating quantum mechanics. If not, I have no clue whatsoever.

So, which one are you now?

Schrodinger's Slime

[Fenrir]

The World Wide Web with it’s plethora of memes and pornography was bad enough, but breaking science is just too far. CERN must be made to answer for it’s crimes.

[MonkeyHead]

Yea, the key is in "appears" to move at FTL. Someone will give an explanation, even if it will be beyond pretty much everyone, myself (Physicist) included. Wouldnt suprise me if it involved a refinement to either relativity or quantum mechanics.

[forsaken1111]

Can we use FTL neutrino beams to map the geometry of a non euclidean dimension so we can find lord Cthulhu?

[Phmcw]

Quantum mecanic is irrelevant at high speed.

[Virex]

Esplain?

To boil it down to an understandable, layman's terms-esque format, at the smallest level we can currently "see", matter doesn't have to exist in only one place at once.

It's impossibly more complicated than that, but I'd rather not get that far in depth.  I'm sure there's plenty of information on the 'webz.  Mind, there's a lot of debate, but it's arguably the only way something could go faster than light, and such theoretically involved here too.

I thought that conventional information was still confined by the light speed? That is, collapsing a wave-function would cause effects (such as the location of a particle becoming  well-defined) to go faster than the speed of light, but those effects in themselves do not carry any information (The collapse of the wave-function has an essentially random result, meaning it carries no more information than the wafe-function originally carried). A neutrino appearing at a defined position is very much conventional information though...

[Phmcw]

It's so weird I expect some kind of denial from the CERN, though. If there is none, well, some poeple will have a fucking lot of work.

[Levi]

It's so weird I expect some kind of denial from the CERN, though. If there is none, well, some poeple will have a fucking lot of work.

Got to keep them physics majors employed somehow.  Might as well be this!

[Aklyon]

God and/or The Universe: Keeping physics majors employed since who knows when.

[Eagle_eye]

Esplain?

To boil it down to an understandable, layman's terms-esque format, at the smallest level we can currently "see", matter doesn't have to exist in only one place at once.

It's impossibly more complicated than that, but I'd rather not get that far in depth.  I'm sure there's plenty of information on the 'webz.  Mind, there's a lot of debate, but it's arguably the only way something could go faster than light, and such theoretically involved here too.

I thought that conventional information was still confined by the light speed? That is, collapsing a wave-function would cause effects (such as the location of a particle becoming  well-defined) to go faster than the speed of light, but those effects in themselves do not carry any information (The collapse of the wave-function has an essentially random result, meaning it carries no more information than the wafe-function originally carried). A neutrino appearing at a defined position is very much conventional information though...

How do you know the neutrinos are at defined points? Actually, shouldn't this whole thing violate Heisenberg's uncertainty principle? If position and velocity are linked quantities, and we know how fast its going... then we should have a very poor idea of what its location is. I'd figure it out, but I seem to have lost my physics notes

[DrPoo]

Fantafuckingtastic. There went your science.

Why did this happen? This must not be real.
Good thing we wont be able to use this for anything.

LUCID DREAMERS DO A REALITY CHECK

[Phmcw]

He meant "kind of defined" point of course. But as  said, at these speeds, classical quantum mechanic is irrelevant.

[Akroma]

I am taking a wild guess and simply say that the current "light speed" was simply not measured correctly enough yet. so these neutrinoes were not faster, they were simply going at the correct speed




that, or an error


never underestimate errors