Shakerag:IronyOwl: Looking back, you seem to have much more of an issue with Powder Miner than with ed boy. Why is your vote on the latter?
Like I said, I'd gotten a town vibe off Powder Miner earlier. His flailings have also seemed more... non-malicious, I guess? If I'd thought his ignoring points and so on was intentional I'd be over him in an instant, but I don't really get the impression that it's an act. ed boy I'm less sure of.
More generally, this is a good example of the subtleties between being scummy and being scum. Powder Miner is far scummier than ed boy in that he's acting less like a good townie should, but I get the feeling that this is for other reasons than that Powder Miner is scum and ed boy isn't.
ed boy:Just off the top my my head, there's this.
Take this, for example. The actual answers are only about a sentence each, and not particularly long sentences. As for inconsistent, there was the whole issue where I asked him what he thought of the scumhunting and he said that he was mostly happy, when he had recently spent several posts shouting at half the other players for bad scumhunting.
Those are the obvious, singular examples, yes. Do you have any more? If not, your case isn't really "he's been doing X," and more "he did X this one time." Those can be substantially different. For instance, I agree his "Oh sure lynch the IC" bit focused more on the IC part than the terrible reasons part, but that's the only real example I can think of, and I think it was mild enough to not really be a good reason by itself.
Also, the short answers part. What issues do you have with that? Or more specifically, what do you think he should have been saying that he didn't?
It's because nobody would intentionally ask a bad question. I don't know that they're bad questions.
That's not (directly) what I'm asking. You admitted to realizing/suspecting they were bad after Jim pointed them out. So, why was your response to ask slightly different questions in an attempt to feel out the edges, rather than just ask someone else, like me, about it?
Because I didn't know it was a bad line of questioning. As far as I was concerned, it was a good line of questioning, and actively asking you to criticize it would be unnecessary. Even if you said the same thing, I would take someone's criticism of my arguments a lot more seriously if they did not have the incentive of being the one argued against.
You're contradicting yourself.
On the one hand, you claim that you thought your questions were good, and thus there was zero point to asking the other IC about them.
On the other, you're claiming you'd have taken my advice a lot more seriously.
If my advice was so much more reliable than Jim's, you really can't make the claim that asking me about it struck you as completely pointless, especially not when claiming you were trying to feel out whether they were, in fact, bad questions at the time.
Powder Miner:Hey, Irony, if you'll look at the bottom of my previoud post, you'll find I answered your question.
Wrong question. That's the one I said I still found unsatisfactory, but didn't feel there was any more progress to be made with. The one I'm talking about is the one you're just now answering below. I've had it out to you for a long, long while.
And I ALSO KNOW THAT YOU'RE SUPPOSEDLY NOT SCUMHUNTING BECAUSE YOU'RE ICING/TOO MANY NOOBTELLS!
But if you don't end up sumhunting, you'll never end up being able to seperate the tells. It alo makes me feel a bit to much like you're hiding behind your IC role. If you weren't an IC, you wouldn't get away with not scumhunting, you wouldn't be able to IC. You'd just be active lurking. And when it boils down to it, that's precisely what you are doing. It really doesn't matter if we're too noobish, or if we need lots of ICing, if you're only being an IC, you're not doing a single thing for the town. And you're not even scumhunting right now. You're defending yourself.
Several points.
One: Why did it take you so long to mention this part? As I've said
(repeatedly) this question has been out to you for a long, long while, and you've just now gotten around to saying this part. Why? You've given very brief, vague versions before, mainly consisting of "Why can't you do both" or "You should scumhunt too" or similar, but this is the first time you've explained yourself fully, and the first time you could be interpreted as responding in a concrete way to the explanations I gave for it much, much earlier.
Two: "If you weren't doing X you'd be doing nothing therefore you're doing nothing" does not work as an argument, because they're not not doing X. It can have merit as a show of tunneling or lack of activity, but "1 = 0" just isn't going to fly.
Three: I feel my ICing is helping quite a bit in some areas. Would you care to point out an example or two where it's been completely worthless?
Four: I am scumhunting. Saying blatantly, demonstrably false things tends to ruin your case, so unless you'd care to explain why I'm not actually scumhunting ed boy or why we should all live in the past for a moment, I'm pretty sure you should just admit to spouting bullshit and move along to real arguments.