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[Darvi]

Also, I forgot to mention that somebody stole my bus.

I liked my bus, how am I supposed to get to school now? :V

[Darvi]

Also, while I'm talking about thieves, they cannot steal rings. So that point is moot.

[Orangebottle]

Wow... Without Wubba to tell you what to do, your sort of in the dark about this, aren't you?
Discrediting a confirmed player to protect your scum buddy isn't a very effective strategy. You should have stuck with bussing him and bluffed your way through.

Oi. Fuck you.
1) I don't need Webadict for anything, much less to tell me what to do.
2) I'm not scum.
3) Simple isn't my buddy.
4) I'm not fucking protecting him. I just have what I thought was a good reason to not immediately vote for him. Now that all the cards are on the table, however...

Simple.

[Orangebottle]

Seriously OB? Really? You're going to distrust the confirmed townie? Welp, I'm going to disregard your idiocy for now because it's really fucking late and I don't have time to berate you. Just know this; if you don't stop trying to discredit TolyK because of an arguement Webadict (scum) made, you're going full retard.

What. I'm not using an argument webadict made. I'm not that fucking stupid. I just didn't want to vote him immediately because I felt that I couldn't really trust TolyK.

[Darvi]

2) I'm not scum.
3) Simple isn't my buddy.

I'm not so sure about those. There's still the very good possibility of a N2 conversion. That means that there's most likely another cultist around.

Here's the guys who most definitely aren't said N2 convertees:
 Me: well I know that I'm not a cultist.
Person: Even if webadict had predicted, with some sort of eldritch magicks, my bussing of him and Person, he still couldn't have targeted himself. Person is a confirmed townie.
Simple: He got converted N1, so not him either.
Max: His claim got us two cultists, one of which being the leader. No cult would be stupid enough to do that imo, expecially if that means that there's only one of them left afterwards.

That leaves you and Think. Now, having a cultist who's nigh-unvotable would be neat, but there's the fact that he can't do anything, be it voting or using items.

That means that either
a) webadict attempted to convert Person and failed, meaning that the game ends this day when we lynch Simple, or
b) he converted you.

So either you're not cult and we win today, or you're cult and get lynched next day.

[Simple]

Alright. First of all who exactly webadict was aside from merchant ? And i know you will take everything i say as last effort to save my skin but at least consider what i say. From my perspective your logic is flawed since i'm was not converted. Now the most ridiculous thing : my death scroll was stolen yesterday. I know i know: lying scum! impossible! bullshit! but it doesn't make it any less true. I got confused and door blocked tonight.

And who was so anxious about thieves yesterday ? None of his actions were not in any way detrimental to the wuba-cult, same with his votes.Darvi. I know this is not as solid as anyone would want but i'm as confused as (not counting scum) everybody else.

Third: Simple is a scumback for having been converted N1 and then having killed Tolyk anyway despite wuba flipping cult leader.

Yes because if i were the killer i could on purpose choose target while being confused and was stupid enough to kill the person that was high on scum-probability list.

(And it's funny having all the votes simultaneously )

[Darvi]

I haven't noticed the part about you being confused at that point. However, there's still one little thing: Max noticed you bypass his block!

So, pray tell, what did you do last night, if not kill Tolyk?

[Orangebottle]

Uh. There's some very flawed logic here.
Specifically:

Here's the guys who most definitely aren't said N2 convertees:
 Me: well I know that I'm not a cultist.

Max: His claim got us two cultists, one of which being the leader. No cult would be stupid enough to do that imo, expecially if that means that there's only one of them left afterwards.

Well, I also know I'm not a cultist. Everybody in this damn game 'knows' they aren't a cultist.

Furthermore, getting two cultists lynched doesn't mean Max can't possibly be a cultist. It's a scum's job to look as town as possible, what better way to do so than to bus all of your partners?

That leaves you and Think. Now, having a cultist who's nigh-unvotable would be neat, but there's the fact that he can't do anything, be it voting or using items.

Yes. But the cult only needs a member to survive, yes? Think would be perfect for the cult at this point. Nobody's really going to go after him till he's replaced, which is never going to happen because nobody wants to read through four days of Mafia.

That means that either
a) webadict attempted to convert Person and failed, meaning that the game ends this day when we lynch Simple, or
b) he converted you.

So either you're not cult and we win today, or you're cult and get lynched next day.

c) You are cult.

[Darvi]

Uh. There's some very flawed logic here.
Specifically:

Here's the guys who most definitely aren't said N2 convertees:
 Me: well I know that I'm not a cultist.

Max: His claim got us two cultists, one of which being the leader. No cult would be stupid enough to do that imo, expecially if that means that there's only one of them left afterwards.

Well, I also know I'm not a cultist. Everybody in this damn game 'knows' they aren't a cultist.

True. Neither of us can prove either claim.

Furthermore, getting two cultists lynched doesn't mean Max can't possibly be a cultist. It's a scum's job to look as town as possible, what better way to do so than to bus all of your partners?

I'm applying Occam's razor here:
-Max is town and got us two cultists or
-Max is scum, killed his buddies and has to survive three or four more days (can't be bothered to count them) without being caught. Mind you, unlike, for example, Person or webadict he's not even that an experienced player.

By the same reasoning, I also think that Simple did the kill, even if he most likely didn't get the right target:
-Used his scroll of death and bypassed the block or
-He didn't get converted on N1, somebody is a thief, who stole the scroll, and then killed Tolyk for whatever reason. Also, he didn't claim an action in the same post where he says he got robbed.

Yes. But the cult only needs a member to survive, yes? Think would be perfect for the cult at this point. Nobody's really going to go after him till he's replaced, which is never going to happen because nobody wants to read through four days of Mafia.

At the cost of effectively losing a ote and an action? Also, town knows that an inactive player is a liability. There's the possibility that a townie might vig-kill him. At best, dead scumbag. At worst, dead townie who wouldn't have been of any help anyway. Think is more of a liability than any help to any cult.

Also, not even webadict is, in my experience, that douchebaggy.

That means that either
a) webadict attempted to convert Person and failed, meaning that the game ends this day when we lynch Simple, or
b) he converted you.

So either you're not cult and we win today, or you're cult and get lynched next day.

c) You are cult.

How about this then. Today, we lynch Simple. If by then the game hasn't ended, town lynches me, then you, then Think. Either way, Person and Max survive, and the last cultist dies.

[Darvi]

And in case that isn't enough, there's more: You refrained from actually voting Simple, both calling Tolyk's claim a lie (which is obviously BS), and then stating that you didn't want to risk a hammer. Well guess what, if there was a hammer then the votecounts would say so.

Also, as Person summarized here, if webadict was the cult leader and converted Simple on N1, then either you or Tolyk got converted.
Well guess what. Tolyk got converted neither on N1 nor N2. So that leaves you as the convertee.

[Darvi]

Well guess what, I am saying "well guess what" a fucking lot. :/

[Mr.Person]

I can go with that, actually, although I think we might be better simply NL'ing over and over to acquire items and inspect everyone.

Of course, with my own knowledge and what we know, let's go ahead and lynch Simple today and OB tomorrow.

[Orangebottle]

-Max is scum, killed his buddies and has to survive three or four more days (can't be bothered to count them) without being caught. Mind you, unlike, for example, Person or webadict he's not even that an experienced player.

Yes, but you can't rely on scum to be predictable. Unless you're playing in a BM, in which case inexperienced scum will almost always kill the ICs.

By the same reasoning, I also think that Simple did the kill, even if he most likely didn't get the right target:
-Used his scroll of death and bypassed the block or
-He didn't get converted on N1, somebody is a thief, who stole the scroll, and then killed Tolyk for whatever reason. Also, he didn't claim an action in the same post where he says he got robbed.

Option one is more likely, though I have no idea why an intelligent scum would kill the other scummiest player in the game instead of letting the town lynch him.

At the cost of effectively losing a ote and an action? Also, town knows that an inactive player is a liability. There's the possibility that a townie might vig-kill him. At best, dead scumbag. At worst, dead townie who wouldn't have been of any help anyway. Think is more of a liability than any help to any cult.

Also, not even webadict is, in my experience, that douchebaggy.

If I get a kill tonight, I'll probably direct it towards Think.

How about this then. Today, we lynch Simple. If by then the game hasn't ended, town lynches me, then you, then Think. Either way, Person and Max survive, and the last cultist dies.

I like it, but it has some flaws. What if the remaining cultist is Max? Or, what if you are the remaining cultist, and get a kill and kill Person/Max with it?

And in case that isn't enough, there's more: You refrained from actually voting Simple, both calling Tolyk's claim a lie (which is obviously BS), and then stating that you didn't want to risk a hammer. Well guess what, if there was a hammer then the votecounts would say so.

Ugh. Fine. It was bullshit I made up because I wasn't sure exactly how scummy simple was, and I didn't want to end up mislynching a townie like I had in three out of the four days I've been in this game.

Also, as Person summarized here, if webadict was the cult leader and converted Simple on N1, then either you or Tolyk got converted.
Well guess what. Tolyk got converted neither on N1 nor N2. So that leaves you as the convertee.

Well guess what. TolyK confirmed that Webadict used door creation on him N2, so Wuba couldn't have converted anybody that night. Simple's the last cultist.

I can go with that, actually, although I think we might be better simply NL'ing over and over to acquire items and inspect everyone.

We'd be fucked if we NL'd over and over. The cultist would get items too.

[Orangebottle]

Ugh. Fine. It was bullshit I made up because I wasn't sure exactly how scummy simple was, and I didn't want to end up mislynching a townie like I had in three out of the four days I've been in this game.

EBWODP: Two out of the four*

[Max White]

I got confused and door blocked tonight.

Well yes, we know that. And you claim that you were stolen from too, so what did you do last night? Because seriously, I saw you open my doors and go do some thing.

Of course, with my own knowledge and what we know, let's go ahead and lynch Simple today and OB tomorrow.

Well there is a massive problem with that. It sounds really boring.