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[Darkmere]

I tried Stormcloak, but I reached a point where dealing with Ulfric and his cronies became unbearable and deleted the save.

You didn't miss much. Ulfric actually delivers a villainous aside to the dragonborn after the victory, and basically everywhere you flipped to Stormcloak gets a thousand times shittier. The end.

[miauw62]

Yeah the Stormcloaks are just incredibly unlikeable. They feel like fantasy rednecks.

[Teneb]

you don't even bring up any legitimate concerns to him.

Frankly, the stormcloak chain is only worth it for Tullius calling Ulfric an idiot that played right into the Thalmor's plans at the very end.

[Rolan7]

I barely considered playing Stormcloak because I was playing a non-Nord, and their opinions on other races are pretty clear (though not universal, there are good Nords too).
Skyrim independence just makes it harder for the Empire to resist the Thalmor and eventually reestablish worship of the god-emperor.  It's selfish and short-sighted.
*Then* I met Ulfric and... yeah, no regrets.

[LordPorkins]

In response to the "Balgruuf be Ballin" posts, I present to you another example of his unrestrained savagery
http://i0.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/010/012/scumbag%20jarl.jpg

[Darkmere]

I barely considered playing Stormcloak because I was playing a non-Nord, and their opinions on other races are pretty clear (though not universal, there are good Nords too).
Skyrim independence just makes it harder for the Empire to resist the Thalmor and eventually reestablish worship of the god-emperor.  It's selfish and short-sighted.
*Then* I met Ulfric and... yeah, no regrets.

The thing is, Ulfric is directly responsible for the crack-down on Talos worship in the first place. There's a couple documents somewhere near... Markarth I think, for the Forsworn stuff, that say the local Jarls were extremely lax about enforcing the ban until Ulfric started a riot over it. THEN the Thalmor started sending their patrols along to "observe."

There's also a missive you can find in the Embassy that basically states Ulfric has been mildly brainwashed when he was a Thalmor captive and he's doing what he's doing because they want him to.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

If you meet him in the afterlife, Ulfric even talks about how much he fucked up everything.

[Zanzetkuken The Great]

I went through the whole stormcloak questline, and I can admit to having had the thought that I fucked up at the end of it.

[BorkBorkGoesTheCode]

They feel like fantasy rednecks.

That's why people dislike them.

[Putnam]

In response to the "Balgruuf be Ballin" posts, I present to you another example of his unrestrained savagery
http://i0.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/010/012/scumbag%20jarl.jpg

Skyrim's biggest flaw is not having an independent side where you can put yourself or Balgruuf as the high king of skyrim tbh

i mean you are the goddamn last dragonborn, metaphysically you're probably at least as powerful as the other big ones (Miraak, Ysmir Wulfharth/Talos Stormcrown, Hjalti Early-Beard/Tiber Septim/Talos Stormcrown)...

Wait, actually, what the fuck, there is no reason at all you shouldn't be able to be like "I'm the goddamn dragonborn, I have a right to be the emperor of Man" and take over the Empire. Huh.

[umiman]

You are quite literally chosen by heaven.

There is no person that has any more right to rule than the guy who has the actual, literal, Mandate of Heaven.

[taat]

Not chosen to rule though. The divine mandate of a dragonblood ruler (not necessarily dragonborn) ended when the amulet of kings was destroyed.

[Teneb]

Also, Akatosh makes new dragonborns for the lulz of it.

-snip-

Miraak aside, all those other dragonborns you mentioned are also Shezarrine.

I think Hjalti wasn't Tiber, though. Well, as much as Zurin Arctus wasn't since they all ended up becoming TalOS and the Underking.

[LordPorkins]

Also, Akatosh makes new dragonborns for the lulz of it.

-snip-

Miraak aside, all those other dragonborns you mentioned are also Shezarrine.

I think Hjalti wasn't Tiber, though. Well, as much as Zurin Arctus wasn't since they all ended up becoming TalOS and the Underking.

And then, Sheogorath is just off in the corner, stuffing his face with sweet rolls. And cheese.

[Akura]

And lettuce, yarn, and lesser soul gems.



Going off topic a bit, but am I the only who thinks that the reason Mankar Camoran stole the Amulet of Kings wasn't for stopping the lighting of the Dragonfires(which would prevent the Oblivion Gates from appearing and stop Mehrunes Dagon from physically entering Tamriel), but so that he could enter Paradise? Of the keys that were required, two were piss easy to come by(Dagon could just provide him with his own blood, and he was probably literally sitting on a pile of Great Sigil Stones), and a third probably wasn't impossible to obtain outside of Cyrodil(the Miscarcand Welkynd Stone was just the last in Cyrodil). But the last one, the blood of one of the Nine Divines? You obtain that one from a scraping of ancient dried blood off a suit of armor worn by Tiber Septim before his ascension. But Mankar probably got his from the Amulet of Kings - the red diamond is supposed to be Akatosh's crystallized blood.

[Neonivek]

I am going to make a prediction. Now that we have one Dragon Born

We are probably going to be seeing a lot more of them from now on