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Author Topic: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Game over, webadict wins.  (Read 64750 times)

Jim Groovester

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Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Day 1: IN UR BASE...
« Reply #315 on: July 15, 2011, 03:06:14 pm »

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Everybody shut up about this. It's not even a proper mafia term. It's stupid for anybody to be arguing about it.

No. NO. You will NOT flake out on the first damn day. The only reasons to ask for a replace are if you are unable to play for some reason.

Get out of the fucking thread.

I said it once already, and you're cluttering it up with requests for spoilspecs and telling the players what to do--despite, oh, pretty much being a beginner yourself.  So move it.

Seriously, breadbocks.

Shut the fuck up.

You know what I am sorry but I am not feeling that into this. I am not contributing much anyways so you can ask the guy on the waiting list if he wants to take my place, it would probably benifit the game anyhow.

You're doing fine. I think you should try to stick it out a little bit longer.

If it still doesn't work out for you, request a replacement. Better to do that than simply disappear and not play.

Woah the IC's can be scum??  :o lol wow I thought that it would be ridiculous if they couldn't so thanks for clearing that up.

My bad but
My point still remains that if you wanted help it would make far more sense to ask the IC's for it or see what they do than just flat out copying a player with more experience that you.

Actually, that's exactly what the ICs are there to do. They provide helpful advice about how to improve your play, but they also provide examples that you can look up to and compare yourself to.

So your basing my whole scummyness because I gave a temper tantrum to the IC and that your punishing me by voting me in hopes I will get timeout and have to sit in a corner until I learned my mistake? No. I do understand the IC's are here as our guide into helping us find the scum on this planet, but that doesn't mean all of us enjoy them telling us what we should and shouldn't do.

Welp, they're there for the whole game, even after they're killed, so you better get used to getting advice from them.

Not so much I want you to do it like me, but I had wanted to see you scumhunt LESS like a scum.

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Actually, those both go hand in hand, but you're wrong about the second one. You changed you vote after one question, instead of pressing for more information like a town would want to do.

You're completely off base about what makes up a town and scum. Not asking a followup question to an RVS isn't really a scum move. Asking a followup question to an RVS isn't really a town move either.

It's pretty neutral in terms of scumminess and towniness. You're better off looking elsewhere.
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Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Day 1: IN UR BASE...
« Reply #316 on: July 15, 2011, 03:11:37 pm »

All fair points Jim, thanks. And especially with that last one I really don't think I have enough to go on right now. I mean Anzki4 doesn't seem really interested in finding scum but my evidence has fallen apart and I still wanna use it.

Unvote.

Hrm.

I am going to have to do some more rereading, prodding and way too much writing before I vote again. I still am suspicious about anzki4 but I just don't have enough to go on right now, and he's not providing me with much. But back to that in a bit.
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Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Day 1: IN UR BASE...
« Reply #317 on: July 15, 2011, 03:36:12 pm »

To avoid any You're talking about the wrong person I shall title this for you:
RELATING TO ANZKI4
Deadmeat1471, how do you plan to find the scums ?

freeformschooler, what is your favorite class ?

Meanmelter, which is better color, red or blue?

Deadmeat1471, how do you plan to find the scums ?

I plan on voting randomly and probing the target for information and tells. Hopefully revealing a scumbag in the process.

anzki4 whats your plan?

Holy shit I missed this the first time through.  Very fucking weird that the only half decent question went to the apparent RVS vote.  The answer was so generic and rather unlike deadmeat's further response.  Not to mention it ended with him asking the same question back

anzki4 whats your plan?
Pretty much the same as you, random voting and questioning,.
With the same response.

Then folds his vote off immediately and votes for the person who said they'd be gone for 12 hours, thus not letting them respond quickly:
Unvote.

Flintus10, you were picked up by the lady luck. Tell me, if she would have chosen you to become a red spy as well, what would be your strategy ?
I somehow doubt this was another random vote.  Especially since he didn't even try to push his fist RVS.


Hey look at this, anzki4 replied to a question towards his initial RVS, and bolded a word for emphasis.  Albeit it is a role-fish, and freeformschooler admits it is here.
Meanmelter, how do you plan to protect the rest of us?
Rolefishing already?
Yes. It's a double edged sword -- if he's not the role I'm taking a wild guess at, I get at least a look at his playstyle. Maybe even spot a scumtell.

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anzki4 Is this implying you are a red spy?
You tell me.

Why would you say this, instead of just "no" and why not (an explanation/retort)? That sounds like you're expecting it to be a catch-all answer to push the real answer (no or yes) back to kilakan's judgement, instead of being confident about not being scum.
Uh huh, ok I missed this the first time since I was busy typing my reply already but:  WHAT THE FUCK!  Ok so you started by trying to attack the scum for me, then replied to my attack for me.  Then followed up by fucking following me:
A lot of what kilakan said I wouldn't use as scumtells, but with these things in particular:

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Ok so you unvote after asking a SINGLE question to your initial RVS, and then (even though plenty of posting has occurred) you throw another random RVS out there with a question that would only result in a WIFOM answer?  Knowing someones strategy if they were scum is a pointless thing. 
Unless of course you have played with said person many many times and would already know how they act as scum.  I assume you haven't played with Flintus enough to know him that well?
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I wasn't asking you if your actions imply you are a red spy.  I was asking if that sentence implies you are a red spy.  As for what I expected you to answer, I wanted a reason for that, which you did give.  Adding on the retort "You tell me." is fucking pointless and just something you would want to say to bolster your ego.
A better comeback would be to actually ask a question with some merit.

Both would normally be blue text on their own (particularly that last one which has now been properly replied to), but together, in addition to my previous doubts, I'm going to unvote and change my vote to anzki4. He's the most scummy-acting person I've seen (and have seen been documented) in the game so far, at least until I can put together something on someone else. And until the lurkers/not-online folk come back.

anzki4, wouldn't it be more beneficial for you if you were a town (it would certainly cast less doubts) to still say, for example, "I'm not scum" rather than "I know that I am not a scum" because the latter seems like a marginally more scummy thing to say.
Now if I were building an actual case against him, then someone voting him without contributing shit all to it wouldn't bother me so much.  However he didn't fucking contribute he quoted me instead of the person he was voting for, WITHOUT giving his take on what the scum bag was doing, instead he stuck on an I agree.  Now he did say that he was the most scummy acting person and he wanted to see more from other people but still I mean you don't quote someone else when voting another without at least giving your take on it.

Max White, what do you think of the happenings of the day?
What I am, your daddy? No, that job goes to Irony. I'm more of your older brother, the cool one, Kilakan is the geeky one.
Oh right, the question.

What? Why would you say that? Even if there are humorous forum in-shenanigans, I believe anzki4 was still asking you a genuine question. If he had asked me what I thought I probably would have given a summation of my thoughts on the events, and used it as a great way to provide a person scumtell recap, like for instance:

Max White:
-Very helpful, but looks to be trying to stay neutral to a lot of previous happenings
-Dodges away from a simple question than any town would happily answer.
Ok well here he defends anzki4 from Max's retort.  Then answers the question directed towards Maxwhite.  It seems like he tried to fucking defend both of them at the same time.  He gets his panties in a knot about Max White's response but then downplays it as forum shenanigans.  Then gives a nicey nice answer to a question NOT DIRECTED TO HIM!  BUT the answer wasn't even completely related to the question, it was fucking twisted to be easier to answer.
Freeformschooler-What do you hope to gain by continuously copying people, admitting it, and defending BOTH sides of an attack?

@kilakan, I think you got quotes mixed up...
Yes yes I did there, problem is that both of you have done the why am I doing this line.  You told me to answer my own fucking question, and Meanmelter asked Freeform to tell him why he changed his vote.  So due to the relative closeness of the two attitudes I got screwed up.

So because this is a huge post it ends here while i read over the rest of the thread, make notes and eat my god damn lunch.
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Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Day 1: IN UR BASE...
« Reply #318 on: July 15, 2011, 03:38:28 pm »

Also darvi can I get a vote count, so I can sort out who's who cause I've confused one person for another twice now thanks to this unstoppable torrent of muddy water.
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« Reply #319 on: July 15, 2011, 03:48:16 pm »

Vector-You've been insanely quite, and have used excuses of sleep, vampires and other things but you still manage to get time in to yell at Breadbocks and post in the happy/sad/rage threads a fair amount.   Now for you that's pretty much lurking, and due to your previous game this is striking me as odd.  Now your post count so far is abysmal and your posts are mainly IC'ing or telling breadbocks to get out.
What are your two current scumpicks and why are they the top?
If you can't read through the whole thread I want this based on at least the first ten pages.
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Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Day 1: IN UR BASE...
« Reply #320 on: July 15, 2011, 03:55:22 pm »

Freeformschooler-What do you hope to gain by continuously copying people, admitting it, and defending BOTH sides of an attack?

First of all, your entire argument against me was entertaining because I can answer nearly all of the accusations in the same way. Your argument here is based on me defending a point a person made for this or accusing them for that, and then switching and defending a different person's point and the accusing a different person. Fact is, it's still turn one. My entire goal right now is finding who's scum.  I CAN'T KNOW who's scum, so I call them as I see them, no matter who it is or what they're saying. If they say something or speak a way and it looks scummy, I press it. Hard. If it doesn't, I don't try to press it (one of my biggest newbie mistakes was that I did the opposite on some occasions, I will give you that), and take a different route. If I take a side and stick with it, I'd call that ignorance.

What I'm saying is, so early on, if I take a side here and a side there and stick with them without being absolutely sure, I'm being ignorant and that will catch up to me, fast. So my strategy here right now -- ESPECIALLY now that I don't currently have a vote -- is to take and give each blow as they come up until the point where I have a case against someone.

So kilakan: Why is your most major accusation that I don't stick with imaginary sides that you believe I am/should be attached to? Any town would feel the same as me I'm sure. But as for scum, I would consider thinking you should take sides this early other than to vote being a major slip up, but an easy one to make. Right?

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Now if I were building an actual case against him, then someone voting him without contributing shit all to it wouldn't bother me so much.  However he didn't fucking contribute he quoted me instead of the person he was voting for, WITHOUT giving his take on what the scum bag was doing, instead he stuck on an I agree.  Now he did say that he was the most scummy acting person and he wanted to see more from other people but still I mean you don't quote someone else when voting another without at least giving your take on it.

I'm not concerned so much with answering this part as you still have some thread to read -- I didn't make my huge case against anzki4 until later on.
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« Reply #321 on: July 15, 2011, 04:02:51 pm »

Insanely quiet with an "abysmal" postcount?  Fuck you too, asshole.  Pay more attention.

I have no clue which one of you fucking dipshit newbies is scum, because as far as I'm concerned you're all pretty terrible and I can't see past the smokescreen of your shit-slinging.  I'm tired of steering you guys and being told "hurr hurr you can't make us do anything!"  I'm also tired of asking people to do shit and being ignored.  You want me to play, ask me questions and take my advice.  As-is all I can do is barely herd you guys into scumhunting.  Harder to do with IronyOwl gone almost 100% of the time.

I have my own life to attend to.  Part of that is posting on this forum for social reasons because, le gasp, I have a fairly severe social disorder, so I have to get most of my emotional balance from the net.  Because I can't hold a conversation for more than two minutes in meatspace.  Sorry, was keeping it a secret around these parts, blah blah blah big reveal, Vector's a flaming nutbag full of silverware.  But of course that's not important, right?

But, oh, right, you wanted your scumpicks!  I'm so sorry for being rude.  Let me just go get those for you.

Meanmelter and Deadmeat.  For reasons that you've passed off as "just ICing," and were actually announcements of struck scumtells.  You can poke around in my posts, which apparently you've paid attention to enough to decide that their relative volume was abysmal.

Of course, they aren't both scum.  I believe at least one of the above is just a townie providing cover fire by playing badly.  I don't know which one, though, so that will have to be discovered later.  I'm doing this by providing advice, because--big surprise--it's really hard to find scum when your actual goal is to teach people how to play better.

For fuck's sake.  What a bloody nightmare.
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Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Day 1: IN UR BASE...
« Reply #322 on: July 15, 2011, 04:17:18 pm »

@Vector That wins the best post of the thread-award.


However I need to request a replacement. Some shit (nothing too serious) in real life keeps me somewhat busier next week than I am currently. I doubt I could follow this thread without sacrificing time from my activities and/or sleep, which I'm not ready to do... I hope you find a replacement...  :(
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« Reply #323 on: July 15, 2011, 04:25:06 pm »

you fucking dipshit newbies

*sigh*

Patience, brosephina.
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Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Day 1: IN UR BASE...
« Reply #324 on: July 15, 2011, 04:28:24 pm »



Votecount coming soon.
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« Reply #325 on: July 15, 2011, 04:33:44 pm »

Freeformschooler-What do you hope to gain by continuously copying people, admitting it, and defending BOTH sides of an attack?

First of all, your entire argument against me was entertaining because I can answer nearly all of the accusations in the same way. Your argument here is based on me defending a point a person made for this or accusing them for that, and then switching and defending a different person's point and the accusing a different person. Fact is, it's still turn one. My entire goal right now is finding who's scum.  I CAN'T KNOW who's scum, so I call them as I see them, no matter who it is or what they're saying. If they say something or speak a way and it looks scummy, I press it. Hard. If it doesn't, I don't try to press it (one of my biggest newbie mistakes was that I did the opposite on some occasions, I will give you that), and take a different route. If I take a side and stick with it, I'd call that ignorance.

What I'm saying is, so early on, if I take a side here and a side there and stick with them without being absolutely sure, I'm being ignorant and that will catch up to me, fast. So my strategy here right now -- ESPECIALLY now that I don't currently have a vote -- is to take and give each blow as they come up until the point where I have a case against someone.

So kilakan: Why is your most major accusation that I don't stick with imaginary sides that you believe I am/should be attached to? Any town would feel the same as me I'm sure. But as for scum, I would consider thinking you should take sides this early other than to vote being a major slip up, but an easy one to make. Right?
hahah what?  I accused you of not sticking to imaginary sides?  No I accused you of attempting to friend everyone to try and see who wouldn't slam you if you hid in their shadow.  I realize I mis-worded something but if you had read the quote it would have made sense
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Uh huh, ok I missed this the first time since I was busy typing my reply already but:  WHAT THE FUCK!  Ok so you started by trying to attack the scum for me, then replied to my attack for me.
I fucked up there I meant to say "the attack on me for me"
Now if you had read the quotes above it it would have made more sense.  Also it wasn't an argument against, for, sideways or to you.  It was me responding to the way you acted that i missed the first time.
So:
Freeformschooler-Apparently if all town feel the same way as you, how do you feel at the moment based on the replies I had to your actions?

Insanely quiet with an "abysmal" postcount?  Fuck you too, asshole.  Pay more attention.
For you, yes very quite and quite a low post count, now I realize not a lot has been happening that really screams anything one way or another, but so far.  I did look over all your posts, so far (including this one) you have 33 posts:22 of which are one or two liners, 7 large but just IC'ing or largely insubstantial posts which are replies to direct questions.  You've asked 3 questions, one was Are you Scum?  And another was what color is my shirt.  So I am paying attention, enough to realize that you are absolutely unlike yourself and that you're pulling the same type of shit as BDthemag did last game where you post a decent amount but everything is fucking one-liners that don't keep up a decent push on anyone.  And quoting someone and just saying this is wrong, is decent scum hunting but not something I would expect from someone like you.  Now you can rage at me all you want and list off a thousand reasons real-life sucks, but you have to realize that I can't be sure in any way shape or form you are not a scum.
So thanks for actually posting what the fuck you think, and by the way, wanna sort through this 'shit-flinging nightmare' fucking use that rage to cut through it.
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Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Day 1: IN UR BASE...
« Reply #326 on: July 15, 2011, 04:40:23 pm »

This is an announcement!


Meanmelter -3- IronyOwl, Max White, Vector
anzki4 -1- kilakan
Flintus10 -1- Deadmeat1471
freeformschooler -1- Flintus10
Max White -1- Meanmelter

not voting: anzki4, freeformschooler
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« Reply #327 on: July 15, 2011, 04:46:07 pm »

As of this point while I continue thinking and reading the thread: unvote/color]  Also because he's getting a replacement.
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Re: Beginner's Mafia XXV - Day 1: IN UR BASE...
« Reply #328 on: July 15, 2011, 04:48:14 pm »

kilakan and vector and meanmelter and max and etc, I want to argue some more, (and how about we have a healthy argument about something else sometime?) but I think I'm done. I got my introduction to mafia, got in and played my dang best the whole way, I read through the entirety of the last BM and half of the most recent Paranormal, read all the guides in the start of this post now, but straight up from the very start this hasn't even been one ounce of fun to me no matter how I want it to be. And I really do, but it isn't.

I love arguing. I believe arguing is a great way for me to get to know both myself and others. But I don't enjoy the premise of mafia. It is entirely based around, even on similar levels to arguing, one of the few things that I hate most in life - cruel, step-on-toes, viscous competition. I would have quit later anyway and by that point I would have been so invested it would be a much bigger disappointment.

Darvi I hate to ask for a replacement when other people already are but you know how it goes.
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« Reply #329 on: July 15, 2011, 04:50:26 pm »

c-c-c-combo!  Well isn't that 3 people now that have asked for replacements?  This fucking sucks.  I mean I don't think it's even possible that we could get 3 more people in a timely fashion.
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