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[Flying Dice]

Ran into a minor bug on one of my chars: Whenever I try to remove this book from a certain shelf, my game freezes and never responds until restart. Repeated 3 times on that char, then found the site with another char in the same town and repeated it again.

[gimlet]

Probably a misshelved Necronomicon...

[Paul]

Made a new little release of my mod.

http://www.mediafire.com/?v5e1xvpgsfdd7k1

Changelist here:http://cataclysmff.zxq.net/SMF/index.php?topic=245

Since I added the dragon's breath shotgun shell it's no longer quite savegame compatible (whoops! didn't realize that would break saves). It shifts all items around, so crossbows become BB guns and such.

People might want new chars anyway with the mutation changes and purifier changes, which is the only reason I didn't just cut the dragon's breath back out (plus it's kinda fun to have a flamethrower round for a shotgun).

[Whales]

Bug report:

Trying to figure out why accuracy wasn't working for gun mods, I found out the problem in itypedef:

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#define GUNMOD(name, rare, value, color, mat1, mat2, volume, weight, meleedam,\
               meleecut, meleehit, acc, damage, loudness, clip, recoil, burst,\
               newtype, pistol, shotgun, smg, rifle, a_a_t, des)\
  index++; itypes.push_back(new it_gunmod(index, rare, value, name, des, ':',\
                            color, mat1, mat2, volume, weight, meleedam,\
                            meleecut, meleehit, acc, 0, damage, loudness, clip,\
                            recoil, burst, newtype, a_a_t, pistol, shotgun,\
                            smg, rifle))

Should be:

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#define GUNMOD(name, rare, value, color, mat1, mat2, volume, weight, meleedam,\
               meleecut, meleehit, accuracy, damage, loudness, clip, recoil, burst,\
               newtype, pistol, shotgun, smg, rifle, a_a_t, des)\
  index++; itypes.push_back(new it_gunmod(index, rare, value, name, des, ':',\
                            color, mat1, mat2, volume, weight, meleedam,\
                            meleecut, meleehit, 0, accuracy, damage, loudness, clip,\
                            recoil, burst, newtype, a_a_t, pistol, shotgun,\
                            smg, rifle))

With those changes it properly references accuracy and all the accuracy modifying gun mods work.

Oh hey, I just found the reason people complained of being able to hit things less at high skill. Not an overflow, just a bad formula.
deviation -= rng(0, 5 * (4 - p.sklevel[firing->skill_used] - 4));

That extra 4 - in front is screwing it up, making every skill point in whatever gun you have throw off your accuracy by 5.

Daaaamn, humbling!  Thanks for spotting both of these glaring errors.  Fixed.

This thread is an awesome bastion of brainstorming activity!  Using XP for artifact/invention/<insert setting-appropriate-noun-here> crafting is probably a ways off, but this is all great food for thought.

I think that just putting XP towards stats when your XP pool is high without any training necessary is a good idea, no door-smashing grindiness.  Maybe it could be weighted towards your lower stats first; those below 8 would improve rapidly (relatively speaking), while a stat at 12 or higher would increase slowly enough to basically never improve.  So a 5/10/12/6 character would move to 6/10/12/6, then 6/10/12/7, then 7/10/12/7, over the course of a couple in-game weeks, say.

Ran into a minor bug on one of my chars: Whenever I try to remove this book from a certain shelf, my game freezes and never responds until restart. Repeated 3 times on that char, then found the site with another char in the same town and repeated it again.

Could be bad save data, an unclean build if you build yourself, etc.  I won't get into the specifics of how to do it here (it's been covered elsewhere), but if you could send an interrupt to the game during the freeze, and give me the backtrace, that'd be helpful.  Just try deleting the save folder and doing a clean build first.

[Paul]

Daaaamn, humbling!  Thanks for spotting both of these glaring errors.  Fixed.

Heh, only reason I found the first one is I went looking for it specifically. I noticed gun mods weren't applying accuracy so I went about trying to find out why. Took me a while to realize what the problem was, I was all looking at the code where it gets accuracy and wondering why on earth it wasn't working. I just happened to spot the other one at random when I decided to see how accuracy actually worked.

I like the idea of stats going up a bit then slowing, but that might promote some rather lopsided char creation selections. Like starting with 20s in two stats and 1 in the other two. Could always make it cost more starting points to raise stats above a certain amount though.

[BishopX]

Daaaamn, humbling!  Thanks for spotting both of these glaring errors.  Fixed.

Heh, only reason I found the first one is I went looking for it specifically. I noticed gun mods weren't applying accuracy so I went about trying to find out why. Took me a while to realize what the problem was, I was all looking at the code where it gets accuracy and wondering why on earth it wasn't working. I just happened to spot the other one at random when I decided to see how accuracy actually worked.

I like the idea of stats going up a bit then slowing, but that might promote some rather lopsided char creation selections. Like starting with 20s in two stats and 1 in the other two. Could always make it cost more starting points to raise stats above a certain amount though.

You could also go the DnD route and limit the maximum increase. Something about only so much inherent potential. Given that you're using a bit shorter scale than DnD, limiting it to an increase of 4 per stat seems workable to me. So the average guy can in time come to understand everything but the hardest books (SCLP, robotics) with enough time. It also means that most characters will never hit 20 in more than 1 stat, two if they REALLY min-max

[iceball3]

Hm, I just realized, zombie pheremones. They remind me awfully of pherapods from the description, don't they remind you?

[Whales]

I was actually thinking of capping starting stats rather low, maybe within the 4-12 range, to limit min/maxing.  Or at least, charging 3 points to increase beyond 12, and 5 beyond 16, so that if you want a super-strong character it's doable, but they'd be very specialized.

Hm, I just realized, zombie pheremones. They remind me awfully of pherapods from the description, don't they remind you?

Dang, you caught me, I'm a fan of HL2.  Not that there are any other Half-Life references in the game 

[iceball3]

I was actually thinking of capping starting stats rather low, maybe within the 4-12 range, to limit min/maxing.  Or at least, charging 3 points to increase beyond 12, and 5 beyond 16, so that if you want a super-strong character it's doable, but they'd be very specialized.

Hm, I just realized, zombie pheremones. They remind me awfully of pherapods from the description, don't they remind you?

Dang, you caught me, I'm a fan of HL2.  Not that there are any other Half-Life references in the game 

Hah! I knew it!
*Fistbump*
But yeah, couldn't think of any other way to administer an anti zombie pheremone other than splashing some liquid all over yourself (ew), or, drinking... it... (EEEWWW)

[jc6036]

Now we just need a bunch more hats and a special item; the sandvich.

[GlyphGryph]

Speaking of which, this game has a SERIOUS lack of hats (and other interesting clothing items).

Where's my tux? Fedora? Top hat? Monocle? Sun hat? Range hats? Beer hats? (With storage!)

[jc6036]

Hmmm. . .maybe there could be a costume shop with ridiculous clothing. . .

[iceball3]

Speaking of which, this game has a SERIOUS lack of hats (and other interesting clothing items).

Where's my tux? Fedora? Top hat? Monocle? Sun hat? Range hats? Beer hats? (With storage!)

Top hat with storage mayhaps?
Don't forget the fez, propeller cap, sunglasses, shuttershades, bow, and turban.

[GlyphGryph]

Yes! Fezzes are cool! (The Doctor said so)

And Fedora's and Top Hats clearly need enough storage for a scooty dog/candy corn or two.

[jc6036]

Not only hats, Id like to see like a superman  costume or something-it could be very interesting when missions are implemented.