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[Whales]

So far, it's seemed to me that the biggest factor in item management has been the 52-item limit.  I know you're working on stacking, which would help, but are there plans to NOT have all items bound to an a-Z key?

I'm on the fence about this one.  I've stuck to the roguelike-traditional a-Z inventory system for a lot of reasons; it allows for 2 (or 3, if there's a couple pages to tab through) keypresses for nearly any item interaction, it lets you use the same keypress you've memorized for a frequent action (e.g. taking pain meds), it lets armor and weapons be identified in the same way as in-inventory items, it's familiar to most roguelike players (used in crawl, nethack, *band), and generally quite simple (no menu system to learn).

However, I've also started considering a category-based inventory system, which would generate letters on the fly for items ('d' to drop, then 'c' for armor, then 'e' for the fifth item listed).  This would remove the need for item stacking (or at least make it less pressing), and possibly make finding items easier, but it would lose most of the advantages of the a-Z system.  We'll see!

[beorn080]

I just had a thought, and probably won't be able to fully explain it due to it being a thought.

For the 'a'pply, 'E'at, 'R'ead, and other commands, it doesn't give you a full list of items. Instead, it runs a check on your inventory, then presents you with a list of items that you have. For instance, crowbar would be c, so to use a crowbar to pry things, you would always just hit a c. Purified water would be p, while unpurified water, toxic or not, would be lumped under w. It wouldn't matter if you carried multiple of the item or not, it would simply stack them together in the various use item screens, perhaps with a total next to it. This would ALSO let you easily give integrated tools more uses as well as all the other various bionics that might have 'a'pply uses, by adding in a check for the bionic to the tool. Thus, a finger laser or short ranged flamethrower would count as a lighter in 'a'pply in addition to its normal uses.

[Dariush]

I can't move with my numpad - different keys are assigned to inventory, wielding and so on. What can I do?

[beorn080]

Open your config file in notepad and adjust the key bindings.

[fred1248]

I can't move with my numpad - different keys are assigned to inventory, wielding and so on. What can I do?

you can press a key called 'Numlock' you silly goose 

[Dariush]

Open your config file in notepad and adjust the key bindings.

I don't have it, I'm connecting through SSH.

you can press a key called 'Numlock' you silly goose 

Tried, didn't work.

[Ordokai]

This has massive potential and has quickly earned a place in my top 5 of roguelikes, which says a lot. Hopefully NPCs get enabled soon surely we can deal with whatever bugs there are. Please continue development I would hate this one to go the way of JADE, been waiting for that game more years than I spent playing ADOM, also saying alot...

[Whales]

I can't move with my numpad - different keys are assigned to inventory, wielding and so on. What can I do?

PuTTY features a bug which requires you to press ctrl+numlock in order to use the numpad.
Barring that, you could always learn vikeys   I highly recommend it!

[Dariush]

That worked, thanks! 

[beorn080]

This has massive potential and has quickly earned a place in my top 5 of roguelikes, which says a lot. Hopefully NPCs get enabled soon surely we can deal with whatever bugs there are. Please continue development I would hate this one to go the way of JADE, been waiting for that game more years than I spent playing ADOM, also saying alot...

It is an open source game, you could work on it yourself. Whale's code is AMAZINGLY well written and accessible, to the point where you don't need coding experience to read it. A bit farther and you could probably do most anything in it without knowing code beforehand.

[Another]

This has massive potential and has quickly earned a place in my top 5 of roguelikes, which says a lot. Hopefully NPCs get enabled soon surely we can deal with whatever bugs there are. Please continue development I would hate this one to go the way of JADE, been waiting for that game more years than I spent playing ADOM, also saying alot...

JADE 0.1.1 is out by the way. [/derail]

[Ordokai]

This has massive potential and has quickly earned a place in my top 5 of roguelikes, which says a lot. Hopefully NPCs get enabled soon surely we can deal with whatever bugs there are. Please continue development I would hate this one to go the way of JADE, been waiting for that game more years than I spent playing ADOM, also saying alot...

JADE 0.1.1 is out by the way. [/derail]

I know but you know what I mean

[Dariush]

Attempting to reload a glass bottle of tequila (maybe some other objects) produces a grey message instead of red.

[BishopX]

So far, it's seemed to me that the biggest factor in item management has been the 52-item limit.  I know you're working on stacking, which would help, but are there plans to NOT have all items bound to an a-Z key?

I'm on the fence about this one.  I've stuck to the roguelike-traditional a-Z inventory system for a lot of reasons; it allows for 2 (or 3, if there's a couple pages to tab through) keypresses for nearly any item interaction, it lets you use the same keypress you've memorized for a frequent action (e.g. taking pain meds), it lets armor and weapons be identified in the same way as in-inventory items, it's familiar to most roguelike players (used in crawl, nethack, *band), and generally quite simple (no menu system to learn).

However, I've also started considering a category-based inventory system, which would generate letters on the fly for items ('d' to drop, then 'c' for armor, then 'e' for the fifth item listed).  This would remove the need for item stacking (or at least make it less pressing), and possibly make finding items easier, but it would lose most of the advantages of the a-Z system.  We'll see!

I think the big hang up here is the 'a' command. Everything uses it (tools, food, drugs, CMB modules, weapons mods, grenades, traps...the list goes on). I think if you broke the 'a' command into several separate commands you could have a context specific inventory list show up. That would allow each item to have a static a-Z key assigned to it within each menu. This should be a big deal in terms of having to remember multiple letters for an item because you typically only use each item for one thing outside of the craft menu. The only exceptions I can think of are hammers and crowbars which are standard melee weapons also used as tools outside of the craft menu.

The drop and inventory and container menus could be standardized to show a-j (ten) items per page. You could also use a crawl like system where you can filter by type of object you're looking for (firearms, ammo, consumables, weapons, clothing, other), which you make managing large inventories possible.

Speaking of containers, I would love to see a standardization between the drop and pick up screens so that you can a) multi-drop, b)exchange items and c)place items in containers. Exchanges can be technically challenging, but nethack has a good compromise system where you first pickup and then drop.

[Greenbane]

I once had an item assigned outside the a-Z group, to ` (Spanish keyboard, but that's a French accent character). Took me a while to find the correct key combination.

Probably a bug.