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[GreatWyrmGold]

I modded in a clay golem race and used them to replace dwarves. One in five are made of fire clay and have [FIREBREATH]. They also grow up in a couple years to mature and give birth to 1-3 children at a time (2-5 for fire clay golem women). To balance them out, I made them only size 50000 at age 3, when they stop growing. However, in the most recent war, against the elves, the first battle went like this:

A: 502, mostly elves, 365 losses
D: 1688 clay golems, 89 kobolds, 64 humans, all lost.

The last was:

A: 274 elves, 140 losses
D: 24 clay golems, 6 humans, all lost

What is wrong? Does worldgen not care what you're made of, only your size?

[Halnoth]

1. World gen battles are 1v1 so 1 dwarf could potentially kill 1 billion elves, humans, goblins, kobolds, etc in a single battle no problem.

2. Do your golems use weapons? cause if not I am fairly certain clay vs metal or even wood is a losing situation since clay is not a weapons grade material. If you want them to be tougher but not too tough make then made of copper instead, or give them the ability to use armor and weapons (though that might be wierd for golems). Personally I'd just make then out of bronze if you weren't going to give them weapons as that is the equivalent of a fully clad dwarf with a hammer.

edit: Size itself doesn't matter overly much. For my krynn mod gnomes who are small size stand up alright against the bigger races.

[GreatWyrmGold]

1. World gen battles are 1v1 so 1 dwarf could potentially kill 1 billion elves, humans, goblins, kobolds, etc in a single battle no problem.

2. Do your golems use weapons? cause if not I am fairly certain clay vs metal or even wood is a losing situation since clay is not a weapons grade material. If you want them to be tougher but not too tough make then made of copper instead, or give them the ability to use armor and weapons (though that might be wierd for golems). Personally I'd just make then out of bronze if you weren't going to give them weapons as that is the equivalent of a fully clad dwarf with a hammer.

edit: Size itself doesn't matter overly much. For my krynn mod gnomes who are small size stand up alright against the bigger races.

They should use all dwarven arms and armor. In fact, the only change is replacing dwarves with clay golems.
Should I post the critter's raws?

[thatkid]

1. World gen battles are 1v1 so 1 dwarf could potentially kill 1 billion elves, humans, goblins, kobolds, etc in a single battle no problem.

2. Do your golems use weapons? cause if not I am fairly certain clay vs metal or even wood is a losing situation since clay is not a weapons grade material. If you want them to be tougher but not too tough make then made of copper instead, or give them the ability to use armor and weapons (though that might be wierd for golems). Personally I'd just make then out of bronze if you weren't going to give them weapons as that is the equivalent of a fully clad dwarf with a hammer.

edit: Size itself doesn't matter overly much. For my krynn mod gnomes who are small size stand up alright against the bigger races.

They should use all dwarven arms and armor. In fact, the only change is replacing dwarves with clay golems.
Should I post the critter's raws?

Do they golems have [equips]? If not, they won't actually use the arms and armor.

[Halnoth]

First, ya the equips tag might be it. If thats not there they won't use anything and will run around naked.

Second, I just noticed something I missed in the first reading. That last battle was 24 clay golems and 6 humans lost with elves losing 140? That isn't too shabby. Sure the first battle was an overwhelming defeat with a 4 golems to 1 elf lost ratio but the second battle was fairly decent in terms of units lost (rounded for ease 25 golems to 150 elves is 1 golem lost to 6 elves which is a better ratio for the golems than the elves in the first battle). Even if you acount for the humans and round to 150 thats 30 to 150 or 1 to 5.

Edit: Also did you look at the battles to see who was killing the elves? were the humanoids accounting for all the kills and the golems simply get slaughtered or are the golems actually holding their own?

[GreatWyrmGold]

First, ya the equips tag might be it. If thats not there they won't use anything and will run around naked.

Second, I just noticed something I missed in the first reading. That last battle was 24 clay golems and 6 humans lost with elves losing 140? That isn't too shabby. Sure the first battle was an overwhelming defeat with a 4 golems to 1 elf lost ratio but the second battle was fairly decent in terms of units lost (rounded for ease 25 golems to 150 elves is 1 golem lost to 6 elves which is a better ratio for the golems than the elves in the first battle). Even if you acount for the humans and round to 150 thats 30 to 150 or 1 to 5.

Edit: Also did you look at the battles to see who was killing the elves? were the humanoids accounting for all the kills and the golems simply get slaughtered or are the golems actually holding their own?

Hm...Not actually sure who was killing...and yeah, I think [EQUIPS] is the problem. Thanks!

...Geez, I thought they'd be nigh unkillable!

[Trapezohedron]

Just a note, skills play a very big factor in beating the heck out of the worldgen opposition. You might want to add a [NATURAL_SKILL] tag in the golem raws just to give it a boost. (It might be too cheaty though...)

[Koji]

Worldgen leans heavily toward size. My Lich megabeasts were getting slaughtered by peasants in worldgen despite being pretty much unkillable. Try beefing up the size, and if necessary, lower the golems' strength/agility/etc to make them a little less overpowered during actual play.

[IT 000]

World Gen battles are highly inaccurate. In one of my favorite ones, ~1200 elves and beasts attacked a mountainhome full of ~300 dwarves. 400 Elves survived, and one dwarf survived. The elves lost.

[kotekzot]

World Gen battles are highly inaccurate. In one of my favorite ones, ~1200 elves and beasts attacked a mountainhome full of ~300 dwarves. 400 Elves survived, and one dwarf survived. The elves lost.

I've had better. 400 elves attack, 2 dwarves defend. 2 dwarves survived and killed 75% of elven forces, but lost.

[GreatWyrmGold]

World Gen battles are highly inaccurate. In one of my favorite ones, ~1200 elves and beasts attacked a mountainhome full of ~300 dwarves. 400 Elves survived, and one dwarf survived. The elves lost.

I've had better. 400 elves attack, 2 dwarves defend. 2 dwarves survived and killed 75% of elven forces, but lost.

Traps killed the elves, then they got into the fort where the dwarves were randomly picking up and dropping pieces of armor.

[stabbymcstabstab]

sometimes i really think thats what happens in world gen once i had one gnome against 1000 goblins 900 dead goblins the gnome lost... i found him in ledgends and he had SEVEN KILLS i check this over ten times check every one with a simalir name but the gobs just disappered.
im sad

[darkflagrance]

World Gen battles are highly inaccurate. In one of my favorite ones, ~1200 elves and beasts attacked a mountainhome full of ~300 dwarves. 400 Elves survived, and one dwarf survived. The elves lost.

Maybe that one dwarf was Tholtig...

[Farmerbob]

World Gen battles are highly inaccurate. In one of my favorite ones, ~1200 elves and beasts attacked a mountainhome full of ~300 dwarves. 400 Elves survived, and one dwarf survived. The elves lost.

Maybe that one dwarf was Tholtig...

Or Gotrek

[Griallia]

Maybe it was a full scale retreat.