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[Skyrunner]

Anyway, big news for the ADC players :
Sivir's Visual Update is coming, no more triangle feet :
http://www.surrenderat20.net/2013/08/pax-prime-relaunch-panel-sivir-relaunch.html
(screen shots, and video of some animations, the 0:55 one).

yaaaay

[webadict]

Will she regain some range on her auto attacks? Because she could use some.

[frostshotgg]

It's not a rework, just a visual. And please no, don't give Sivir more range. She's incredibly strong as is. Her E is ungodly strong, as is her early game damage. I'm just waiting for the pros to pick her up.

[Knirisk]

It's not a rework, just a visual. And please no, don't give Sivir more range. She's incredibly strong as is. Her E is ungodly strong, as is her early game damage. I'm just waiting for the pros to pick her up.

I actually don't expect too much from Sivir. To be honest, I'd mostly prefer Graves or Vayne (in terms of short-ranged ADs) over Sivir unless the person mains Sivir. Or I'm playing against Blitzcrank. The shield is great, but good/bad usage can make or break your laning phase. In teamfights, unlike Graves or Vayne, Sivir really has no protection aside from her shield. She might be decent in AOE comps, though. With an Annie mid and an Amumu jungle, she'd do spectacularly well, I think. Maybe.

[Sharp]

Yeah Sivir is good at surviving a gank from jungler but in teamfights she can't really escape, if her W proc'd on hit and/or lifesteal she would be much stronger but probably op then.

Strong in laning phase but not so strong in team-fights unless team is already winning

[frostshotgg]

That's because Sivir isn't a teamfight ADC. She's a splitpusher, always has been and always will be. Run her in a double ad comp and have your mind blown. Vayne forces 4v5 teamfights while Sivir takes a tower or two.

[webadict]

That's because Sivir isn't a teamfight ADC. She's a splitpusher, always has been and always will be. Run her in a double ad comp and have your mind blown. Vayne forces 4v5 teamfights while Sivir takes a tower or two.

I can't agree with that. I think she will not always be a split pusher. I don't even consider her that great of a champ to split push with. She used to be a much better split-pusher when she had her toggle boomerangs. With her new set, she's far less effective at pushing solo. Which is fine, because she gives her team a great way to initiate fights or avoid them, and can certainly push fine.

They're trying to make her a teamfight ADC, but keeping her range shorter DOESN'T help her become a teamfighting ADC. She's a great duelist, but that can only take you so far. But, being an ADC that excels at splitpushing also makes you an excellent source of losing the game. You take out a Sivir early and prepare to be destroyed.

Giving her a higher range and a decreased base AS can certainly scale her better into a teamfighting ADC. Right now, she's not in a good spot.

[frostshotgg]

I think her boomerangs being made a auto reset  was actually better, particularly with S3 itemization. It only takes a static shiv and bloodthirster to be able to instakill creepwaves with a qw. Getting additional bouncing attacks is meaningless when there's nothing to attack. And it's an auto reset on towers, which means 1 additional attack + a tiny amount of base damage as opposed to nothing. I think you really aren't giving Sivir a fair chance. Yes, in a team where she's supposed to be the main source of damage she's not very effective. But with another ADC like Vayne or Twitch she can shine.

[webadict]

I think her boomerangs being made a auto reset  was actually better, particularly with S3 itemization. It only takes a static shiv and bloodthirster to be able to instakill creepwaves with a qw. Getting additional bouncing attacks is meaningless when there's nothing to attack. And it's an auto reset on towers, which means 1 additional attack + a tiny amount of base damage as opposed to nothing. I think you really aren't giving Sivir a fair chance. Yes, in a team where she's supposed to be the main source of damage she's not very effective. But with another ADC like Vayne or Twitch she can shine.

But, why even bother doing that when you can have safer or more effective split pushers? It just seems like doubling ADCs would be better at sieging a tower than split-pushing, especially with the AS and MS boost Sivir grants with her ult.

[frostshotgg]

Who is a more effective split pusher? It's impossible to stop Sivir from pushing with 1 man, unless it's a fed hecarim or the like. If they send 2 guys, your team can easily clean up 4v3.

[webadict]

Who is a more effective split pusher? It's impossible to stop Sivir from pushing with 1 man, unless it's a fed hecarim or the like. If they send 2 guys, your team can easily clean up 4v3.

That's just nonsense. Sivir can be stopped by plenty of characters. I don't know where you're getting this from. Depending on how far along into the game it is, she can be stopped by several characters. Or, if you're so inclined, you can also attempt to crush a 5v4, killing the enemy team and gaining much more.

To me, it just feels like you're discounting way too many factors. Sivir doesn't have an escape, so champions with gap closers can get to her rather easily, and she has a low range for an ADC, stacking on top of the first point. I just don't see Sivir winning in a lot of these cases.

[Skyrunner]

Something I would like is having a slightly better AA animation for Sivir. Even with lots of AS items, it feels so.. slow. Compared to Ezreal, Vayne, or any other commonly used ADC champ. Also, lower mana costs across the board. It's like she's balanced around using Spellshield to recharge mana, and has a 100 mana poke, which really doesn't help laning. One last thing is no cast time on the ultimate.


I just played Singed and he's crazy. I just kinda hung around top turret 2v1, got a few items, and became uncatchable. A M. Yi using his ult didn't manage to catch me somehow. x3 Ghost + ult + poison trail + sticky glue makes for good escapes in a pinch.

[tompliss]

Something I would like is having a slightly better AA animation for Sivir. Even with lots of AS items, it feels so.. slow. Compared to Ezreal, Vayne, or any other commonly used ADC champ.

I think that's because her projectile is slow, compareed to them, but yeah, I see what you mean. There are low chances they change that, however...

[Sharp]

I don't see how Sivir is an effective duellist. If the Q misses or is dodged then that's a huge amount of her damage negated. She needs her ult for AS buff but other champ's ults give bigger buffs or more damage.

If Sivir's W proc'd on hit or lifesteal she would be a much better champ and could actually be scary in teamfights.

[frostshotgg]

Sivir's auto attack particle actually moves at the same speed as Vayne's, IIRC. Her animation really is that shitty. I can't find a table of missile speeds, but I'm pretty sure Sivir is tied with a bunch of other ADCs.

Anyways, she's just as effective at killing people 1v1 as any other ADC is, and more effective at killing towers than most. Her W does proc on hits and a lifesteal, just only on the first hit.