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[Tsuchigumo550]

Continuing... to work out... things. And stuff.

You've now got Doors.

Doors do lots of things. There are three schools of thought on how to get through a door in this game:

Quietly, stealthily: You take two movement points to open the door quietly and close it behind you. There's no audible noise to this, so players who didn't set up overwatch on the door you came through are none the wiser to your presence. If they can see the door, you're still spotted, though. Overwatch triggers with this.

Open, Ready: No real bonuses to this except that it only takes one movement- you open the door and leave it that way. It's audible, triggers overwatch, but also allows retaliation fire if you get a good roll (match or beat enemy roll, fire back).

Kick The Shit Out Of It: Takes two movement, blasts the door clean off it's hinges so there's no more "open" or "close", just "gaping hole". Does not proc Overwatch, because of the "shock and awe" of breaking the door.

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Overwatch is another thing. At the end of your turn, if you're behind cover, you can set up overwatch to any point within your guns range. Anything passes in your sight, you'll shoot at it.

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Guns and armor are going to likely be simplified more than what I originally planned. Possibly to the point of five or six to each category- similar to Counter Strike where each gun is unique based on what it does- the AUG's scope to the FAMAS's burst fire... etc.

Armor, on the other hand, is less cut-and-dry. Likely I'll have armor that spares you lethal damage no more than three times, plus unique armor sets available to each "class".
So far classes are pretty in-the-air and likely to change, but some of the current armor abilities are

 Leg Shield: You are always considered "behind cover" for Overwatch (and only Overwatch.)
 Augmented Movement System (AMS): Moving across low cover only takes one move point.

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To attack, each player rolls a d6, and gets +1 if they're behind mountable cover.
Assuming one player set up overwatch last turn from behind cover and has it proc while holding a high-accuracy but low-damage assault rifle variant:

Att(5+1 v 3)
Attacker successful
Hit?(7+2) (9/12- controlled burst hit)
Damage (weapon value) and (d8): (3) (7-2) (5/8- chest centered)

The attacking player (who got good rolls across the board) lands a controlled burst (likely five rounds, still working out how gun accuracy works) centered on the enemy player's chest. Given five rounds, a 1d4 is rolled for each- a 1 deviates and a 4 also deviates.

1/3/2/4/1

The defending player takes a bullet in the arm/chest/chest/gut/arm.

[Fniff]

So I was thinking, there aren't a lot of systems for talking your way out of a situation. I find that they tend to be solved with a few rolls for each participant, which is an oversimplification of how an actual conversation goes in my opinion. I know you could simply roleplay it, but many RTDs do not put an emphasis on RP and having to roleplay/GM a PC attempting to get a guard to open the door for several turns without any real ways to judge when it should be finished would be a chore. Any ideas on how to make a good system for conversations?

[Tarran]

The only ways to do conversation as far as I know and as far as I can think of is either rolling, roleplaying, doing both at the same time, or using a completely-unrelated-to-RTDs system for conversation.

[Fniff]

Well, isn't there a more complex system then "Roll: (2) he disagrees with you. Go away."? I'm not arguing against rolling, it's just that I'm looking for a more interesting way of doing it.

[Tarran]

That kind of system is one entirely dictated by roll results as far as I can tell, and thus that kind of a result should be what you expect from it, but even then it's a bit too simplified compared to what you'd imagine seeing in an actual game. At least, actual games with at least a little emphasis on roleplaying (and if you aren't interested in roleplaying at all, I don't think a better system would matter).

As for more interesting ways, I've already offered three other alternatives which aren't what you gave as an example. Which one are you more interested in?

[flabort]

Competitive roll-and-re-roll:
Roll a die each. Subtract NPC roll from player, base off this table:

Roll	Result
-5	You really upset them (-5), end conversation
-4	You really upset them (-5), reroll
-3	You upset them (-3), end conversation
-2	You upset them (-3), reroll
-1	Starting to dislike you (-1), reroll
0	Not convinced, reroll
1	starting to like you (+1), reroll
2	You pleased them (+3), reroll
3	You pleased them (+3), end conversation
4	You really pleased them (+5), reroll
5	You really pleased them (+5), end conversation

The "(+x)" or (-x) in the results affects the conversation score - on a +4 or more when the conversation ends, the player succeeds in whatever they were trying to do when convincing an NPC, or makes a friend, or whatever. On a -4 or less, it's like a critical failure. If the player manages to get a score over +8, then it's really, really good. If they get a score above +12, they just started a cult to worship them, and nothing gets done. On an "End conversation", the NPC no longer wants to talk for whatever reason. If it's because you insulted them, or it's because you completed a deal, or whatever, the conversation is over, stop re-rolling.
Each time you roll or reroll, this generates a line or two of dialog for the PC and the NPC. This assumes that the game is one where players don't mind the GM writing for their characters. A conversation may last only a single roll, up to 10 rerolls - at that point, the conversation has reach the time limit for the round, and will continue next round.

[freeformschooler]

This is the whole reason boni are a thing. Just give boni based on how well-written and - more importantly - appropriate the player's dialogue is. If, FOR EXAMPLE, IronyOwl tried to talk his way out of a situation with just a bolded action, his actual dialogue is left up to up to the GM, and the GM could skew it based on the roll (see: "try again, but less molestery.") If he wrote his own dialogue along with the action, he probably wouldn't be convincing orphans about his homicidal tendencies. In-game terms, that translates to +1 or +2 or whatever bonus you want to use, and mathematically, a 1 becomes impossible.

[Tsuchigumo550]

Assault rifles are less accurate and have more damage potential than pistols/SMGs. A lot of them are also seemingly identical.

Or, really close.

The most unique are firearms with ranges that change slightly for overwatch. Shotguns, snipers, and heavy arms are not complete, and there aren't any melee weapons- however, once that's all fleshed out, I can start the game. There's a little more to do as far as armors go, but they're mostly done.

Spoiler: Armor Choices (Legs) (click to show/hide)

MULE- Able to store a third weapon/ an extra set of grenades (from 3 to 6)
VANGUARD- You're considered "behind cover" for purposes of overwatch.
SPRINT LEG- You get 2 extra movement a turn.
HEAVY STEP- Six points of armor- this decreases when hit based on the weapon you've been hit with.

Spoiler: Armor Choices (Arms) (click to show/hide)

STABLE FIRE- +1 to accuracy rolls.
WILDMAN- Melee weapons are considered armor-piercing.
FORCE BOMB- Breaching a door is considered a linear projectile attack (starts at DR6, loses a point for each tile, won't deal damage past six tiles.
HEAVY ARMS- Six armor points.

Spoiler: Armor Choices (Body/Head) (click to show/hide)

BASTION- Explosions and other forms of splash damage, including grenades, don't deal damage (unless the primary target- i.e. standing on the same tile as an active hand grenade)
DEADEYE- Misdirections don't work- flashbangs and smoke grenades won't blind/hide anything.
HIVEMIND- Adrenaline doses keep the user up. You have to inflict heavier damage (where shooting a few holes in the average soldier's arm makes it much more difficult to shoot, using this means that players will need to have their arms turned to hamburger. You can take roughly twice the damage you normally could.) to do anything, though this does not affect death. Bleeding out is not affected either.
RIOT PLUS-Six armor points.
WALKING TANK- Lose two movement points, gain 12 armor points. Cannot be used with SPRINT LEG.

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Also, freeform, "boni" transforms to "boner" every time I read that post. It. Won't. Stop.

[Tsuchigumo550]

Grenade types. I'm about ready to start this.

Spoiler:  Less than Lethal (click to show/hide)

Flashbang: Anyone within 4 spaces of the blast is deafened and blinded, within 6 are blinded, and anyone who set up overwatch and has the blast between them and their target are also blinded.
Smoke: Creates a shroud five spaces around that conceals anything in it or past it from view. Lasts 3 turns.
CS Grenade: Disorients anyone caught in the 4-space wide cloud, making it impossible for them to act in a coordinated way. Only lasts one turn.

Spoiler: Lethal (click to show/hide)

Fragmentation Grenade: Deals DR2 damage to anything within four spaces.
Nailbomb Grenade: Deals DR2 damage to anything within three spaces, armor points don't protect vs nails.
Molotov: Sets fire to a five-space wide area for three turns. Standing in the fire causes damage over turns, being in the initial blast radius sets you alight. Neither are good.
Smart Mine: Can be placed on the floor or walls. When an enemy walks through the range of the weapon, it goes off. It does DR2 damage in three spaces. Smart Mines are not easy to spot, and therefore, are invisible to players who didn't see you place it down.

Spoiler: Other (click to show/hide)

Survey Drone: Can be activated and deactivated so long as it's on the same space as it's user. Can be moved about, but it's user must not move or attack (but may be crouched behind cover.) It informs it's user on anything it can see, can spot smart mines, and give information about players it sees. It cannot attack, but can be shot down.
Collapsible Shield: Riot shield-esque item that can be used alongside a secondary. Provides 6 armor points and protects all body parts unless attacked from behind. Breaks after taking 6 or more points of damage.
Medipack: Used to treat damage. Can be used three times, takes an entire turn. Recovers roughly 6 points of damage.
Ammunitions Box: Gives you an extra magazine for every weapon you have.

Creating a soldier is as simple as choosing your armor and grenades (you can carry up to three), then choosing what type of weapon you start with as your primary (assault rifle, shotgun, sniper rifle, or SMG). Secondary weapons are randomly given out. You'll be randomly assigned three details as well- for instance, your gun might have a unique camo pattern, matching that of your hat and insignia on your arm armor. This is the only way to identify players as player actions are PMed. The turn is run, then each player's experience is put in a spoiler tag. It's not game-breaking for players to read the spoilers, but generally, they shouldn't. It won't give much away except location, but you aren't supposed to know that IC unless you can see them.

[Tsuchigumo550]

I have started the game. Might take a bit of a read, but it'll probably be worth it as I did kinda promise at least three matches.

http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=131124.msg4604344#msg4604344

I think people will like the different gamemodes, but I'm wondering if enough people will apply to make the voting process go smoothly.

[Joben]

Cool little dice mechanic for combat that I saw in the home brew section of tabletop RPG forum. (Lost the link)

It's simple, produces an interesting statistical curve, and inherently ties the skill of the strike to the damage done.

• Roll 3d6
• Highest Result + Medium Result = To Hit Roll
• Medium Result + Low Result = Damage Roll

Defense can be a static target for the character, or an opposed roll. And of course modifiers can be applied.

Here's what the stats look like.

Chance of getting a particular result on the Attack: http://anydice.com/program/371

#: %
2: 0.5
3: 1.4
4: 3.3
5: 5.6
6: 8.8
7: 12.5
8: 15.7
9: 16.7
10: 15.7
11: 12.5
12: 7.4

Damage Curve: http://anydice.com/program/28f1

#: %
2: 7.4
3: 12.5
4: 15.7
5: 16.7
6: 15.7
7: 12.5
8: 8.8
9: 5.6
10: 3.2
11: 1.4
12: 0.5

[Tiruin]

So. . .

About that RTD Tutorial...

Anyone making it? xD

[freeformschooler]

So. . .

About that RTD Tutorial...

Anyone making it? xD

What would an RTD tutorial even consist of? The standard baseline RTD rules are everywhere in the subforum, and there isn't really any consistency between RTDs beyond some of them sharing/borrowing mechanics. It's a rare breed of game where GMs making their own systems is the rule rather than the exception.

[Tsuchigumo550]

While it would be nice to have a compendium of useful tools- health systems, damage systems, relevant enemies...

Speaking of which, I was considering getting a bunch of forumites to write a whole setting, quest list, and dungeons for a DF themed D&D setting. Possibly making a hacked "lite" version of the rules, including ones for specialized traps and other DF mainstays while opening up to new players.

[Tiruin]

So. . .

About that RTD Tutorial...

Anyone making it? xD

What would an RTD tutorial even consist of? The standard baseline RTD rules are everywhere in the subforum, and there isn't really any consistency between RTDs beyond some of them sharing/borrowing mechanics. It's a rare breed of game where GMs making their own systems is the rule rather than the exception.

An explanation of how an RTD works in the most formal of formats for newbies to learn what an RTD is.