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Re: My rant on modern video game rants
« Reply #30 on: March 17, 2011, 04:04:28 am »

I will only add one thing to this discussion as a reference that is also enjoyable. Go to the Escapist's site and look for the Extra Credits videos, written and made by three people who work on games to discuss games in their past, present, and possible future.
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Re: My rant on modern video game rants
« Reply #31 on: March 17, 2011, 04:04:57 am »

Sorry to spoil your rant about rants but I'm going to have to rant.

You know what pisses me off about modern video games? How friggin' short most of them are!
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Re: My rant on modern video game rants
« Reply #32 on: March 17, 2011, 04:27:16 am »

I think the OP was more or less saying "Modern Games are like this because", rather than "Modern Games are good because". Possibly because people are asking "WHYYYYY are modern games so rubbish?" Well, here's the answer. I don't think the OP is saying that Modern Games are good because they are targetted at 13 year olds, are designed for dull people, make lots of money etc.
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Re: My rant on modern video game rants
« Reply #33 on: March 17, 2011, 04:43:37 am »

It's kinda strange to see it.

Did you write an essay for some community research? :)

Because honestly, it looked like a nice article, but it was not directed to anyone personal, so if you wrote it at random... Well, you probably have much more time than I do for random stuff :). You have your points, you have your flaws, it's your opinion, it works.
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Re: My rant on modern video game rants
« Reply #34 on: March 17, 2011, 05:28:13 am »

Yo I heard you like to rant about rants so I put a rant in your rant in your rant so that you can rant in your rant in your rant.
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« Reply #35 on: March 17, 2011, 05:34:36 am »

Yo I heard you like to rant about rants so I put a rant in your rant in your rant so that you can rant in your rant in your rant.
??? ???
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Re: My rant on modern video game rants
« Reply #36 on: March 17, 2011, 05:40:25 am »

Why should I write a story? I'm not the one getting paid to do that.


In short: don't forgive the corporations because they are overcharging you for poorly developed products.
Unless you pirated it, I guess. In which case yeah, shouldn't look a gift horse in the mouth.
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Re: My rant on modern video game rants
« Reply #37 on: March 17, 2011, 05:45:26 am »

On a more serious note, its a good read, but I disagree with the "write a better story if you complain about it" part.
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« Reply #38 on: March 17, 2011, 05:52:46 am »

Yo I heard you like to rant about rants so I put a rant in your rant in your rant so that you can rant in your rant in your rant.

I was so thinking of doing this considering the title.
But you didn't get the yo dawg part right.
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Re: My rant on modern video game rants
« Reply #39 on: March 17, 2011, 06:50:44 am »

Read it, enjoyed it, agreed with it.  Nice writing talents.  I also double the mention of "Extra Credits" on the Escapist if you want rants and speeches on how Games can be good- this is a place for why they're bad.
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Re: My rant on modern video game rants
« Reply #40 on: March 17, 2011, 07:59:44 am »

I thought this was a place for idealists?

Pragmatist, back to your hole!

No, but seriously, the OP is a very enjoyable read. However I will still err on the side of idealism, and enjoy fist-pumping at the vitriol being poured out in the general direction of the greed-heads.
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Re: My rant on modern video game rants
« Reply #41 on: March 17, 2011, 11:30:41 am »

I'd love to join the crowd saying that the OP is well-written and persuasive, but in fact, I have to be as contradictory as he himself was in his first post. I hope therefore that he will humor me.

Rather than take his post in the order of points that he assigns to it, I see his post as basically two parts. There is the first part that "explains" to us why things must be as they are in gaming, and there is the second part that tries to convince us that this truly is the best state.

Part 1

The first part of his argument, attempting to explain why gaming in this state, is rather superficial and trite. We all know why so many companies have taken this course. We toss around the word "sell-out" freely when speaking of companies like Creative Assembly and Bioware, which began with riskier and more innovative titles and have slowly crept toward blander mainstream fare with each new project. We speak openly of their chasing greater revenues at the expense of the core niche of gamers who bore them on our backs when they had vision and heart... so do we need to be instructed like children that mainstream companies seek primarily to make money? It was known. Our gripe was, in fact, that companies seek to go mainstream after promising starts in a niche that we subsidized with our dollars.

This is not about pragmatism. Smaller companies thrive everywhere, if pragmatism is your only battlecry. Small business is the largest sector of the economy. If feeding a family or even putting a few children through college is the sole worry, then a smaller company can and routinely does provide its employees with just those very means. Are the folks at Paradox malnourished because they haven't stripped down EU3 till it can be cross-published as a console title? In fact, I am sure the CEO does well enough in his niche to own even a luxury car or two. It is a choice to step outside an established and supportive niche to draw in greater revenues. It is a choice motivated by greed.

In short, OP has offered us a false dichotomy between "make ever-increasing profits" and "starve to death." Wrong.

Part 2

So much for the first part, where OP describes the process of mainstreaming as natural and inevitable with few alternatives, implying that any criticism is therefore not practical. Now onto the second part, arguing that mainstreaming produces a better product. The general direction of this part is encapsulated in the following statement:

Money is the root of all progress and lack thereof.

This bold assertion is part of your worldview, for better or worse. Yet, if this is indeed so, why do we have so many government research grants? Why not let industry do all the granting of funds and shaping of research trends? Why did electronic computers grow from a government-funded project called ENIAC and not from a computing-machine company like IBM, which was content to invest in small tweaks to mechanical punch-card computing technology? Are you using a computer right now, or a punch-card machine? Why did the very Internet that you are now boldly opining across evolve from a public-sector defense project instead of a visionary corporation who could be cashing in to the tune of trillions on its ubiquity and increasing necessity right now. If money is at the root of all progress, then I would think that the very machine and the very medium used to advance that view would originate from a for-profit business entity!

Money blinds people. Money brings out what is mediocre and common in us. Money makes us punch the clock in and out. I could name more progress stymied by risk-averse accountants than you could name stemming from them.

I realize this latter part is down to one's worldview, but mine has been hammered out by experience. I've seen my share of scams in real life, seen what money does to people. I can't go back to the simplistic belief that money is some benevolent deity shaping progress. Companies who take the above route and shit on the expectations of people who aided and closely followed their early ascent are due their judgement day in the eyes of those former supporters.

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Re: My rant on modern video game rants
« Reply #42 on: March 17, 2011, 12:02:21 pm »

In short: don't forgive the corporations because they are overcharging you for poorly developed products.
Unless you pirated it, I guess. In which case yeah, shouldn't look a gift horse in the mouth.
Yeah, this is my kind of approach :). If my opinion does not influence their quality, my wallet does not influence their budget :). I just don't buy games I don't like.

Honestly ranting about games is as bad as ranting about books: "Oh god he wrote such an awful poem". Don't buy it then!
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Re: My rant on modern video game rants
« Reply #43 on: March 17, 2011, 12:13:17 pm »

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I'd love to join the crowd saying that the OP is well-written and persuasive, but in fact, I have to be as contradictory as he himself was in his first post. I hope therefore that he will humor me.

Of course, if I didn't want to hear the responses of people to my opinion I would have kept in a little box and spend a few hours ever day reading it and laughing about my obvious superiority to the rest of the planet.

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Rather than take his post in the order of points that he assigns to it, I see his post as basically two parts. There is the first part that "explains" to us why things must be as they are in gaming, and there is the second part that tries to convince us that this truly is the best state

Was that really how you took it? If you did, I do apologize for a lack of clarity.

It is not how things "must" be, and it is not trying to explain how the mainstream gaming is in its "best state". Personally I would prefer if companies made a Baldurs gate (the second one in particular), or a fallout (1 or 2), or Sims (Any of them). I'm giving the view of one flawed human on why companies can make games that aren't at all what we want and get away with embarrassingly large stacks of money.

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In short, OP has offered us a false dichotomy between "make ever-increasing profits" and "starve to death." Wrong.

I in no way seek to deny that there is a sizable portion of the market that is fun, inventive, and popular. Spiderweb is my hero here, some of the best games on the planet and they aren't humdrum and the makers are still alive, thank God.


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I realize this latter part is down to one's worldview, but mine has been hammered out by experience. I've seen my share of scams in real life, seen what money does to people. I can't go back to the simplistic belief that money is some benevolent deity shaping progress. Companies who take the above route and shit on the expectations of people who aided and closely followed their early ascent are due their judgement day in the eyes of those former supporters.

I like this view, I really REALLY do. I think my Cynicism is longer and harder than yours though, I do not believe money to be altruistic, or even neutral, I believe that people will do pretty much anything to get it though. This is a point where our personal opinions differ, arguing this is out will probably degrade hideously and I have no desire to do that.

(On the subject of internet and modern computers I claim military funding.)

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Re: My rant on modern video game rants
« Reply #44 on: March 17, 2011, 12:24:14 pm »

If my opinion does not influence their quality, my wallet does not influence their budget :). I just don't buy games I don't like.

Good attitude, but the problem is that you can't really know whether you like it or not without buying it. (At least not in any legal way) Most of the games come without a demo (and those that do, are too limited to be judged), so you have to rely on reviews, which are subjective.
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