Native: Do you think Bayer and Jokerman are scummy for their "utter bullshit" arguments against the Org lynch?
I find Bayer questionable because I don't know his meta, but I've seen Jokerman say the exact same things about Org when he was town. He just never really approves of an Org lynch.
Bayer: Noted. You are currently one vote away from being hammered. Is that causing you to consider to roleclaim or do something else in an attempt to persuade everyone otherwise? Or do you think you can get out of this some other way?
Meh. I honestly didn't notice I was so close until the votecount.
Pandar: Book, Zrk2, and Darvi are all voting twice. Zrk2 is listed as having 3 votes despite having only two names beside him. Are these all correct?
Ah, I get that now. Wow, I should vote more often *joke, for those of you without humor*
While I'm not averse to believing that Org is a jester, I still don't believe Bayer to be entirely innocent either. For all we know the PM never happened and he's making it all up to cover for his buddying.
Well yes, perhaps the PM never happened.
But notice when Org started contributing - when he was no longer the focus of attention and of desired lynch.
Only then did he change his slant. So if you disbelieve me I'm fine with that, I just think it warrants more faith than you're giving it.
Point. But his contributions weren't really much (only half a roleclaim, and stating that "Zrk isn't scum").
Chances for his roles imo are 40% for Jester, 55% for scum engaging in RiA and 5% other. While you... really, your initial arguments for defending him were bullcrap. I'd say 75% scum and 25% other.
If I'm defending scum, I'm scum, sure. If I'm defending town, I'm scum, sure. If I'm defending Jester, what am I? So 40% "whatever," and 60% scum, which aren't really your numbers there. I'd like to see consistency, here.
Unvote.
Dunno if you've heard this sentiment before, but anti-town =/= scum. Just because they're useless doesn't mean they're scum. Could mean they're an idiot. Could mean they're a jester, as is the case.
It may not always be, but it's a pretty good place to start, as it can also lead to hostile third parties.
Zrk2: Outside of Org, who do you suspect? How about if Org is town?
Other than Org, my main pick is SirBayer because
1. Org is his scumbuddy and he's trying to save him.
OR
2. Org is townie, and SirBayer is defending him so when he is lynched he looks more townie.
Haven't we already discu-
Oh, and
3. Org is a jester, and SirBayer is defending him because he's cool like that.
Oh hey. Alright, you're being reasonable anyway. Though why you didn't think of this in the first place...?
IronyOwl, if Org did not have a track record for Orglike behavior, how would your thoughts on this game be altered?
I'd have considered Jester a LOT more readily.
But notice when Org started contributing - when he was no longer the focus of attention and of desired lynch.
Only then did he change his slant. So if you disbelieve me I'm fine with that, I just think it warrants more faith than you're giving it.
This is kind of interesting, but "contributing" in this case means "two coherent sentences." It's more than he was giving earlier, but it's hardly a massive jump.
I'm also curious exactly what the reasoning for a jester would be in this situation. Attention is on him, so he herps and derps as much as possible, then starts contributing when everyone ignores him?
I'll unvote SirBayer for now, but I'd like to hear your reasoning.
Contributing is relative, with Org.
Okay, let's say you're Org. You just start herping and derping and everyone votes for you. Hooray, you're a jester, you're winning!
But then someone starts defending you. Oh no, this isn't good! But it's okay, they'll just lynch him first and you'll be next. That's fine!
But oh no, he's winning! So now you have to do something. Switch tactics, roll another way.
Scum wouldn't do it that way. SK wouldn't do that way. Anyone who
didn't want to be lynched would've switched tactics when they saw they were being threatened. A townie might do it, but as someone pointed out to me I was wrong, Org actually contributes these days (I'm still in shock). So my initial arguments were BS, but now we find we have something out of them anyway.
That's a tangent, though. DO you get my point now?
Other than Org, my main pick is SirBayer because
1. Org is his scumbuddy and he's trying to save him.
OR
2. Org is townie, and SirBayer is defending him so when he is lynched he looks more townie.
Zrk2, why did you try to hammer him just for that? Why isn't Jokerman on that list for also defending Org?
Actually the only vote I had placed out of the two or three it said I had was on SirBayer, so now we only need one to hammer.
And I think lynching SirBayer now would just end the day sooner, it seems pretty obvious who we're lynching, but mroe time means more discussion, means better odds for town.
Ah, so now you're advertising for someone else to finish the job, while saying it's inevitable but spouting a townlike catchphrase completely at odds with what you're actually doing.
Well, being townie is usually a good way to go about being townie...
In regards to my almost hammering, I was sleeping/at school since 10pm EST last night, and that was the first chance I'd had to post since then. I looked at my own logic and saw that out of the possible situations I saw, Org was only scum in 1 while, Sir Bayer is scum in 3.
So there's also a 4:
4. Sir Bayer is town and the idea that Org has to tell someone each day is legit.
Following my logic I decided that voting Bayer made more sense than voting Org because Bayer seemed extremely scummy to Orgs' simply useless, with a side of annoying and a pinch of scumspice. Therefore, after collecting all my logic trains my own ideas lead to concluding that Bayer was a legitimately better vote. The hammering wasn't even noticed by me as I had concluded I was voting Bayer as I was reading ~page 10.
The hammering issue seems moot now, as well.
Mmm. You completely fail to actually address Owl's concerns, and then go ahead and raise some more.
The hammering issue seems moot now, as well.
No, it's not moot. And you're trying to just pass off what's a pretty clear scumtell as nothing, which is, of course, scummy.